I talked with TS staff today and they said if I want one the will place an order and it will arrive in about 2 weeks. Seems good to me, and as for th liberty or Johnson safe. I would love to have one but I have to buy what the budget will fit!!! Ya know just like I'd like to have a few short barreled AR-15 with suppressors buuutttt one step at a time. I think I will go with this safe, it seems like a lot of space, and a door organizer. Plenty of space for ammo and other personal items that should be secured. I like that the company states they will replace or fix a safe that has suffered an attempted break in or fire. I will invest in a JOHNSON or a LIBERTY safe in my next house and keep this Winchester in the garage as my back up or overflow!!!!!! Thanks for all the feed back,