Will you take the Covid Vaccine?

[Ziggidy]

I won't judge others for their choices, but am saddened by the resistance, and mistrust of the vaccine, and the science behind it.

I know some individuals who are hardened and resisting just to say they resisted. I feel as Jamil does.

What saddens me is the fact that our society has reached a level of distrust in government, science, medical and others. How did this happen and where/when will it end. There was a time I did openly trust.

I spent my entire career (44 years) in the medical arena; patient care and education. I have taken all vaccines up to this one. As I stated before, I struggle with this one. I think I struggle because it was (is) so politicized. As far as I can tell, the only benefit of the vaccine is it's ablility to lessen the symptoms; transmission can still occur. (I am sure I will be called out on that).

I respect everyone's decision with this vaccine.

 

[jamil]

I know some individuals who are hardened and resisting just to say they resisted. I feel as Jamil does.

What saddens me is the fact that our society has reached a level of distrust in government, science, medical and others. How did this happen and where/when will it end. There was a time I did openly trust.

I spent my entire career (44 years) in the medical arena; patient care and education. I have taken all vaccines up to this one. As I stated before, I struggle with this one. I think I struggle because it was (is) so politicized. As far as I can tell, the only benefit of the vaccine is it's ablility to lessen the symptoms; transmission can still occur. (I am sure I will be called out on that).

I respect everyone's decision with this vaccine.

I think how we reached this point is that the reality we perceive isn't what we hear from government, science, medical and others. And maybe sometimes our perception is wrong. It's rarely ALL wrong. Fauci, for example, did a lot to harm his own word in my mind. I think that's legitimately perceiving reality. He admitted to lying to the public to manipulate an outcome. Well, he's obviously willing to lie to achieve whatever outcome he wants. I think it's reasonable not to trust what he says.

But then there are some areas where our perception is biased and so maybe that's not as close to reality. It's hard to know when that's the case.

 

[indyblue]

My take is if the "models" that were used to develop this vaccine are anything like the models used to predict climate change or the spread of covid early on that are so far off, then no I don't trust it one bit. I know of a couple people that got the vaccine and both reported if they were to have to go through it again, they won't.

 

[smokingman]

So Pfizer received almost 1 billion to develop the covid vaccine from the federal government(you).

US taxpayers are funding six Covid vaccines. Here's how they work | CNN

The US government is investing more than $3 billion to come up with a vaccine against the coronavirus.

www.cnn.com

Now it is setting record profits.
Pfizer expects to sell $15 billion worth of Covid-19 vaccines in 2021. That would make it the second-highest revenue-generating drug anytime, anywhere, according to industry reports.(Lipitor is still number one with almost 20 billion in sales for 2019 the last year I could find).

Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine is set to be one of the most lucrative drugs in the world

Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine will be one of the most lucrative drugs on the market. Only one other drug, Humira, sells more.

finance.yahoo.com

Will COVID-19 vaccines be free?​

The vaccines purchased with U.S. taxpayer funds will be free for most Americans, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). But, some vaccine providers could charge an “administration fee” for providing the shot. Your insurance company may reimburse that fee, though.

“Either your insurance will pay for the vaccine series, or it will be paid by federal funding,” explains Brynna Connor, health care ambassador at NortWestPharmacy.com. “Patients will not be responsible for payment for the coronavirus vaccine.”

So again taxpayers are paying for it. In every possible way.

Will COVID Vaccines Be Free? When Will They Be Available? All Your Pressing Vaccine Questions, Answered

The COVID-19 vaccine is here. And as photos and videos of health care workers rolling up their sleeves to get their shot circulate, you likely have lots of questions about getting vaccinated. How much will the vaccine cost? When will it be your turn to get one? How effective is it? Parade.com...

parade.com

I believe this is what people commonly refer to as socialized medicine.


Still not getting either of the available vaccines. Though I will consider the J&J one when it is avaliable(within the next two months it is expected to be available).

 

[avboiler11]

So Pfizer received almost 1 billion to develop the covid vaccine from the federal government(you).

US taxpayers are funding six Covid vaccines. Here's how they work | CNN

The US government is investing more than $3 billion to come up with a vaccine against the coronavirus.

www.cnn.com

Now it is setting record profits.

If you had actually read the CNN article you linked, you'd have noticed Pfizer is not mentioned ONE SINGLE TIME.

Why? Because Pfizer didn't take any OWS funding for vaccine development.

 

[avboiler11]

As far as I can tell, the only benefit of the vaccine is it's ablility to lessen the symptoms; transmission can still occur. (I am sure I will be called out on that).

Not trying to "call you out"...but:


Its not that SARS-CoV-2 vaccine won't prevent transmission, it is that wasn't tested for in Stage 3 trials so there isn't enough data to say conclusively AT THIS POINT.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence (third time I've posted this phrase in this thread, I think).

That being said, AstraZeneca's continued trials showed up to 67% decrease in transmission from their vaccine, and I believe ongoing trials to determine exactly this are ongoing with Pfizer & Moderna mRNA vaccines.

 

[Ziggidy]

Many are posting reasons I do not want it. Lack of data, not enough data and or who's managing the data we have.

Personally I do not want to be a guinea pig for big brother.

Just my stand at this moment. It can change by this evening....

 

[smokingman]

If you had actually read the CNN article you linked, you'd have noticed Pfizer is not mentioned ONE SINGLE TIME.

Why? Because Pfizer didn't take any OWS funding for vaccine development.

Pfizer accepted 2 billion from the Trump administration in July(for future delivery of vaccine that was not developed yet as part of OWS).

I believe you are referring to BioNTech that helped Pfizer work on the vaccine that received $445 million from Germany.

Pfizer Vaccine’s Funding Came From Berlin, Not Washington

It’s said that success has many authors, and the encouraging data from Pfizer Inc.’s experimental Covid-19 vaccine had plenty of people in Washington lining up to take credit.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[avboiler11]

Pfizer accepted 2 billion from the Trump administration in July(for future delivery of vaccine that was not developed yet as part of OWS).

I believe you are referring to BioNTech that helped Pfizer work on the vaccine that received $445 million from Germany.

Pfizer Vaccine’s Funding Came From Berlin, Not Washington

It’s said that success has many authors, and the encouraging data from Pfizer Inc.’s experimental Covid-19 vaccine had plenty of people in Washington lining up to take credit.

www.bloomberg.com

Pfizer received a $1.95B contract for 100M firm doses of vaccine. That is not the same thing as federal funds for vaccine development, as Moderna/J&J/Novavax/etc. received (note: those companies also got contracts for firm orders).

Perhaps BioNTech got aid from Germany to help develop their vaccine...but they didn't get any from the United States as you claimed.

 

[melensdad]

Pfizer received a $1.95B contract for 100M firm doses of vaccine. ...

Exactly.

They took payment for goods they were delivering. Just like you pay for cellphone service ... you pay and they deliver the product.

They did not get research and development money to create the vaccine.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

1-in-4 Americans have no intention of getting the vaccine so we will reach herd immunity when a bunch more people get Covid and recover from it, which hopefully times well with vaccinations to reach a high enough level that a combination of infected, recovered & vaccinated people = herd immunity.

1 in 4 Americans say they would never get COVID-19 vaccine: poll

One in four Americans said they would never get the coronavirus vaccine, a new national poll reveals. Republicans were the biggest COVID-19 vaccine resisters, with 42 percent saying they will &#822…

nypost.com

Why do you say a bunch more people will have to get Covid and recover from it for herd immunity? Per the article herd immunity will require 70-85% to be immune, 75% say they will take the vaccine that more than meets the lower threshold, and only 10% shy of the upper. What percent of people have already had and recovered from it? Best I can find is about 7.8% of the population in the US have had it, unknown about the percent recovered/died.

 

[avboiler11]

About 26.5M confirmed US cases of SARS-CoV-2.

CDC estimates 4.6 infections for every confirmed positive.

That’d be roughly 122M infections, or 37%ish of the US population.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

About 26.5M confirmed US cases of SARS-CoV-2.

CDC estimates 4.6 infections for every confirmed positive.

That’d be roughly 122M infections, or 37%ish of the US population.

Yeah, I was going by just the confirmed. Since the unconfirmed are unknown and just estimated. But then again with some of the stories I've heard the actual unconfirmed might be unknown as well, so...

 

[smokingman]

Exactly.

They took payment for goods they were delivering. Just like you pay for cellphone service ... you pay and they deliver the product.

They did not get research and development money to create the vaccine.

So the NIH paying for the phase 1,2,and 3 means Pfizer was not funded by government money?

Here is the reason Pfizer is claiming it received no federal funds to develop its version.

"The NIH claims joint ownership of Moderna's coronavirus vaccine"​

The NIH claims joint ownership of Moderna's coronavirus vaccine

Taxpayers have a sizable stake in the vaccine Moderna is developing.

www.axios.com

It would not matter if the federal government paid for the entire development. Not with 15 Billion in profits on the line. Politicians cost millions not billions. The media is even cheaper.

Here is an interesting thing you may not have noticed,a huge change.
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Pfizer’s CTI for NIH Researchers​

Pfizer’s CTI for NIH Researchers

Pfizer’s CTI for NIH researchers aims to bridge the gap between early scientific discovery and its translation into medicines through public-private collaborations.

ncats.nih.gov

See from 2014-2019(actually Febuary 2020) NIH and Pfizer's centers for therapeutic innovations where a JOINT government/private project. Period. "A cooperative research and development agreement (CRADA) collaboration with CTI included, among other things, access to Pfizer’s drug development enterprise and publishing rights. "

Now if the NIH had a CRADA in 2020...it would mean like Moderna the NIH would have joint ownership.

Hence the program vanished into thin air.

Believe what you will. I really do not care. No matter what way you break it down taxpayers funded it,and you certainly are paying for the profits and bounses at Pfizer.

 

[avboiler11]

Revenue isn't the same thing as profits.

 

[CampingJosh]

Pfizer accepted 2 billion from the Trump administration in July(for future delivery of vaccine that was not developed yet as part of OWS).

The vaccine was developed and already in testing by that point, showing promising preliminary results.

 

[gunworks321]

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/esse...out-the-covid-19-vaccine_rIafoCqUBaYMepz.html

Just add this to help with your decision.

So, many of you didn't like the old man in a chair video. OK then here is a doctor who has done the research and knows what she is talking about. You be the judge for yourself. As for me and my family and friends still not taking it.

 

[smokingman]

The vaccine was developed and already in testing by that point, showing promising preliminary results.

See post two above this one.

Not that it matters at this point.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Pfizer accepted 2 billion from the Trump administration in July(for future delivery of vaccine that was not developed yet as part of OWS).

I believe you are referring to BioNTech that helped Pfizer work on the vaccine that received $445 million from Germany.

Pfizer Vaccine’s Funding Came From Berlin, Not Washington

It’s said that success has many authors, and the encouraging data from Pfizer Inc.’s experimental Covid-19 vaccine had plenty of people in Washington lining up to take credit.

www.bloomberg.com

From your article, Pfizer did not accept the money before it was developed. It states that they entered into a contract in which they will receive 2 billion for 100 million doses after it receives approval. Why not just admit you were wrong, it happens to everybody.

What the U.S. did, meanwhile, was commit to buying hundreds of millions of vaccines in advance to ensure Americans were among the first in line if it clinches an emergency-use authorization or approval from the FDA. The Trump administration agreed in July to pay almost $2 billion for 100 million doses, with an option to acquire as many as 500 million more, once that clearance comes.

 

[dusty88]

I received my second dose (Moderna) 2 days ago. I had the expected response starting late Wed night and through Thursday: headache, fatigue, mild chills. I had taken the day off of work so it was not a big problem. I'm 100% normal today.

Unfortunately, still no 5G reception

My 87 yr old parents received their first dose in Illinois today. Illinois vaccine rollout is a clusterf*** compared to Indiana. I had to make multiple phone calls to finally get them scheduled.