That was the consensus of our years of testing. Sure hornaday sabots were better in rifled slug barrels but they cost a lot more. The Winchester pumpkin balls were close enough for gov’Ment work and we were hunting close enough that most shots were under 60 yards in heavy cover. Your go to right out of the box would be these and a see what they do for you.Winchester 1 1/8 rifled slugs. Shot the best out of Remington, Winchester, or Mossberg. We tried all the slug comparisons also these out shot sabots and Remington slugs. Rifled barrel and smooth bore.