Kirk Freeman
Grandmaster
Glock mags were never intended to drop free.
I'm curious why that is. What advantage is there to a mag that requires two hands to remove?
So the soldaten don't drop them into the muck.
Glock mags were never intended to drop free.
I'm curious why that is. What advantage is there to a mag that requires two hands to remove?
I'm confused.... is that supposed to support the blind decision to go with the Sig, or to work through the teething issues on the Glock? By what I'm assuming is your attempt to defend the decision to go with the Sig, the new Remington R51 should be an outstanding firearm. Regardless of make or model, nearly everyone here will tell you to never carry a new firearm until you've PROVEN it's reliability at the range.
The most believable scenario here is that the person in charge of choosing the weapon is a just a Sig fanboy.
Corruption, not conspiracy. Do you have any other logical explanation for choosing an unproven model as a police issue weapon?
I do.....but it's long and correct.
You've claimed one thing that is a total fabrication (stainless base plates) and seemed primed for a fight with your conspiracy/corruption/sig fan boy theories. Your mind is made up already.
Best for both of us all around to not get into a pissing match that doesn't really matter.
I'm confused.... is that supposed to support the blind decision to go with the Sig, or to work through the teething issues on the Glock? By what I'm assuming is your attempt to defend the decision to go with the Sig, the new Remington R51 should be an outstanding firearm. Regardless of make or model, nearly everyone here will tell you to never carry a new firearm until you've PROVEN it's reliability at the range.
The most believable scenario here is that the person in charge of choosing the weapon is a just a Sig fanboy.
Corruption, not conspiracy. Do you have any other logical explanation for choosing an unproven model as a police issue weapon?
Same reason Glocks were adopted when they were the new kid on the block and folks believed polymer guns would explode or biodegrade after a few years. Glock's formula of subsidized purchase price + generous buyout of existing weapons + free accessories (spare mags, leather, training pistols, etc.) = police weapons contract was so successful that other manufacturers now copy it.
The P227 is much closer to existing proven platforms than Glock was to anything that existed when it gained widespread acceptance through the above.
If you hurry you can get one today before the sales ends.
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Well said!
ISP's move to the Sig brand had much to do with after sale customer service. Glock suggested, no, insisted, that all the problems ISP shooters were having with their weapons were the fault of the shooter. They accused shooters of "limp wristing" the gun, manipulating the weapon to force malfunctions and flat out became hostile/aggressive during the process.
How does the officer then feel comfortable carrying his/her combat weapon? Teething pains are one thing, but the arrogant attitude Glock presented in responding to the Agencies concern was overwhelmingly the reason for the switch to a new weapon system.
The 227 is heavily based on the 220 and 226. Both long tested and proven to work. For the record the weapon system that rose to the top during testing was the FN. The 227 was not available for testing. Concerns arose of the size and holster selection for the FN so after feedback from many sources and the fact that the 227 was now available for advance testing, the process was "redone" to include the new model. It finished head and shoulders ahead of the FN taking ALL demanded and required criteria into account.
There is much much more to a product you buy than the product itself. A combat weapon must work without afterthought or second guessing. While the 227 is a new model....I would offer that it's really only new in name only. It's effectively the same as it's previous long proven model but only larger. Larger in dimensions that are really quite negligible.
Think of a well known, proven car manufacturer taking a hugely popular, high performing, well reviewed model and adding four doors to it. The underlying design, engineering and parts list is largely the same. Long winded and not as concise as I wanted, but it's early and I haven't had my coffee yet. :-)
Other than what's been discussed here, what issues do you know of with the Glocks? I'd be very interested to know so I can keep an eye out for those issues on my own.
Feeding issues when a light is attached? That's about the strangest thing I've heard. If I had the time and money, I'd research that one just for the sake of curiosity!
I think it's pretty unfair to say the Glock has "teething issues" without recognizing that all guns do.
I would suspect the problem with the G22 had more to do with the additional mass causing flex in the frame, or the clamping force of the accessory warping the frame.
I was stating that pointing out the flaws of one product while pretending the problems with another doesn't exist is a pretty ignorant thing to do.
What flaws were there that were being ignored? From what I've read, the P227 passed all ISP testing with flying colors.
I don't know the gory details, but apparently the department threatened to go to another pistol, M&P probably, and Glock decided they'd rather we stick with them and gave us a good deal on Gen 4s.