Wal Mart brawl leaves one dead, several injured

[target64]

So, at what point do ya'll think deadly force was justified?

Right about the 53 second mark. The officer near the vehicle/ on the ground has his back taken by a second individual. This to me would signal the need for deadly force.

 

[churchmouse]

One thing I learned a while ago, some officers are genuinely afraid to mix it up. Why they're officers, I don't know. But it puts other officers in potentially a bad spot if things really go down in a bad way.

That was my observation of this brawl.......2 officers and 3 sometimes in the thick of it and one hovering like he was lost. It is very apparent in the slow-mo.
No knock on any of them but the WalMart guy was doing way more damage.
Hes the very mind set of LEO been ham stringed by current events and public opinion. Are they slow to act because of this.

The back up forces came in and body's started flying to the ground.

 

[churchmouse]

Oh, I little doubt that they were hopped up on something, but it wasn't drugs as such; it was out and out fanaticism, the , variety, the kind that comes from listening nightly to Alex Jones.
What a bunch of -wearing embarrassments to society.

Hey......I used to rock a Mullet...........

 

[oldpink]

So, at what point do ya'll think deadly force was justified?

As far as I'm concerned, it should have been deployed much sooner and more forcefully than it eventually was, starting at the moment that they tried to bring any of the LEO to the ground.
All too easy to have what did indeed happen: One of the hillbillies grabbed a gun.
People who behave in such a manner make me sick, doesn't matter what age, doesn't matter what ethnicity.
Total wastes of skin, every last one of them in the miserable brood.
I mean, the real tipoff about what a bunch of conspiracy whackjobs they were was how they were "guarding" the bathroom for Momma.
Guarding the bathroom?
Seriously?

 

[KG1]

It depends. If I need help, I'm not going to care where it comes from just don't insert yourself in something needlessly. Just ask, "Do you need help?" "Do you need a hand?" If it's bad enough, just jump in, if you can do so safely. It wouldn't hurt to yell at the suspect, "Get off the officer." "Stop resisting the officer." Etc, as you are jumping in to help. That will announce your intentions pretty well.

I don't think there was any way to jump into this melee safely, for LEOs OR well intentioned bystanders. It was a free for all. If you make the choice to enter a fray like this GO HARD.

 

[Principal Skinr]

As far as I'm concerned, it should have been deployed much sooner and more forcefully than it eventually was, starting at the moment that they tried to bring any of the LEO to the ground.
All too easy to have what did indeed happen: One of the hillbillies grabbed a gun.
People who behave in such a manner make me sick, doesn't matter what age, doesn't matter what ethnicity.
Total wastes of skin, every last one of them in the miserable brood.
I mean, the real tipoff about what a bunch of conspiracy whackjobs they were was how they were "guarding" the bathroom for Momma.
Guarding the bathroom?
Seriously?

...Which brings us back to the drug question. What was Mom doing in that bathroom that required guarding? Of course, that could bring us back to the brain wash question or just creepy family culture. Who knows? I hope they drug tested them anyway, when they brough them in. Certainly their behavior would give probable cause, if it were even needed after all that.

Wow, sad situation. Very sad. In my humble opinion, the officers showed an incredible amount of restraint, clearly not wanting this to get to a deadly situation, if they could help it.

 

[bradmedic04]

As far as I'm concerned, it should have been deployed much sooner and more forcefully than it eventually was, starting at the moment that they tried to bring any of the LEO to the ground.
All too easy to have what did indeed happen: One of the hillbillies grabbed a gun.
People who behave in such a manner make me sick, doesn't matter what age, doesn't matter what ethnicity.
Total wastes of skin, every last one of them in the miserable brood.
I mean, the real tipoff about what a bunch of conspiracy whackjobs they were was how they were "guarding" the bathroom for Momma.
Guarding the bathroom?
Seriously?

Maybe momma was the family drug chef, and had a little shake-n-bake operation going. You need privacy for that kinda stuff.

 

[Denny347]

I don't think there was any way to jump into this melee safely, for LEOs OR well intentioned bystanders. It was a free for all. If you make the choice to enter a fray like this GO HARD.

"safely" is relative of course. Like not jumping in front of an officer's draw handgun, etc. How much risk one is willing to take in helping is obviously a personal thing. I'm just referring to obvious breaches of safety.

 

[femurphy77]

That is just plain crazy. Like the scene from a zombie movie. The whole friggin family should be locked.

Wonder how the INGO cop haters will spin this one.

So there we were, praying with a homeless person when a cop drove up. . . . . .

 

[KG1]

"safely" is relative of course. Like not jumping in front of an officer's draw handgun, etc. How much risk one is willing to take in helping is obviously a personal thing. I'm just referring to obvious breaches of safety.

Got it. This was a crazy one indeed where anyone could possibly get hurt by anyone else.

 

[femurphy77]

Even more obnoxious than the men was the women (and I use that term loosely) deliberately putting herself and her young kid in the middle of this.
The one bright spot was the Wal-Mart employee doing his best to help out and the two other civilians who stepped right and helped the wounded LEO away from the scene, carrying him with his arms over their shoulders...top shelf guys all.
Maybe this sounds mean, but so what?
Someone should have just linked together four belts worth, opened the cover and inserted the first of the belt, dropped the cover, cycled the action to chamber the first round, then squeezed the trigger and held it in until all four belts worth were expended out of an M-60 on that worthless bunch of imbeciles...stupid hicks.
See to it that they are no longer able to contaminate the world with their DNA.

Yeah.....that does sound pretty mean. This is emotionally charged.
We need to let the system do its thing with this.
If it is properly handled, properly reported then maybe it will put some faith back into people.
That is sorely needed right now.

OldPinks idea sounds like WAY more fun but I grudgingly cede to CM!

 

[churchmouse]

OldPinks idea sounds like WAY more fun but I grudgingly cede to CM!

Trust that I feel a Louisville slugger should have been used here instead of the little whacking sticks LEO had to deploy.
Had this taken place in a local pub the family would not have stayed in the fight nearly as long. They would have been beaten down rather quickly.
The LEO showed an amazing amount of restraint in this.

We all need to show the same restraint and let the system roll with this. There will be more info come along soon enough.

 

[slowG]

No idea what i just watched

 

[oldpink]

Originally Posted by 9mmfan

That is just plain crazy. Like the scene from a zombie movie. The whole friggin family should be locked.

Wonder how the INGO cop haters will spin this one."

So there we were, praying with a homeless person when a cop drove up. . . . . .

Just read the comments on YouTube and LiveLeak, where the videos are posted, and you'll find legions of mouth-breathers not just saying this was unjustified, but openly wishing that the cops had gotten killed.
Line them up with the hillbillies and empty a Minigun into the lot of them.

 

[jbombelli]

Maybe momma was the family drug chef, and had a little shake-n-bake operation going. You need privacy for that kinda stuff.

My first thought was they were all shoplifters and mama was putting on a bunch of layers of stolen merchandise.

I have no evidence of that - it's just a guess/speculation.

 

[magus]

Trust that I feel a Louisville slugger should have been used here instead of the little whacking sticks LEO had to deploy.

Interesting small study on this topic: Kinetic Energy Transfer Based Upon Police Baton Designs | Charlie Mesloh - Academia.edu

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

That was my observation of this brawl.......2 officers and 3 sometimes in the thick of it and one hovering like he was lost. It is very apparent in the slow-mo.
No knock on any of them but the WalMart guy was doing way more damage.
Hes the very mind set of LEO been ham stringed by current events and public opinion. Are they slow to act because of this.

The back up forces came in and body's started flying to the ground.

Seemed to me that the officers would have been better if they stayed focused on one perp until the guy was down and cuffed. It looked like they kept letting them up, then get sidetracked fighting a different one. Didn't look to me that the officers were following any kind of coordinated plan or training to deal with multiple offenders.

 

[churchmouse]

Seemed to me that the officers would have been better if they stayed focused on one perp until the guy was down and cuffed. It looked like they kept letting them up, then get sidetracked fighting a different one. Didn't look to me that the officers were following any kind of coordinated plan or training to deal with multiple offenders.

This had to be confusing to them.

Seriously feel the mind set of these men has been ham-strung by recent events.

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

This had to be confusing to them.

Seriously feel the mind set of these men has been ham-strung by recent events.

I guess so, and it looked like those people almost knew how to exploit the chaos.

And, like you said in your earlier post, that was a pretty determined bunch of fighters. I have to think it's not that often for police to run into a bunch that can get wrestled and knocked around like that, and still keep fighting.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Seemed to me that the officers would have been better if they stayed focused on one perp until the guy was down and cuffed. It looked like they kept letting them up, then get sidetracked fighting a different one. Didn't look to me that the officers were following any kind of coordinated plan or training to deal with multiple offenders.

They you to do exactly NOT that.