Haven't seen these before and just bought a box at walmart (.40) because that was literally the only non shotgun ammo they had, and they had 10 boxes of it, the guy at the counter asked me what the deal was with it because every other brand goes like hot cakes but nobody touches these, I said tul ammo is typically steel cased and people don't like that, but I don't see why the brass cased ones would be a problem for people, and I would ask around so... I am, are the tul ammo brass maxx rounds junk or something?