Tucson No-Knock Raid that killed U.S. Marine Jose Guerena [Video]

[Frank_N_Stein]

I heard sirens at the beginning. Doesn't that tip off the residents? At 9:00 am I hear sirens and then door knocks, I may not have enogh time to answer the door but I surely could drop my weapon and get my hands up. Sure is easy to second guess by watching the video.

You can also hear someone yelling "Police, search warrant, open the door" before they make entry. The officers might not have knocked, but they sure made their presence known.

 

[MinuteMan47]

You can also hear someone yelling "Police, search warrant, open the door" before they make entry. The officers might not have knocked, but they sure made their presence known.

I remember reading an article about some gang bangers performing robberies yelling "Police" as they entered...

You can read the INGO consensus...

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...o_resist_how_do_you_handle_this_scenario.html

 

[bobzilla]

You can also hear someone yelling "Police, search warrant, open the door" before they make entry. The officers might not have knocked, but they sure made their presence known.

I've watched that about 14 times now, with the volume high and I have not heard that.

 

[jedi]

I think I found the answer.

The First Zombie-Proof House

Nope rambone you are forgetting that a few shells from this:

will cause the defenses of that house to go bye-bye.

It might stop zombies for a while but the best defense is a good offense.

They are installing cameras inside their helmets now.

Are these really the helments that SWAT is using?

Looks very much like these:

(ie. star wars stormtroppers)

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[rjstew317]

I've watched that about 14 times now, with the volume high and I have not heard that.

@ 7 seconds, split second before the sirens go of you can hear them yell "police, search warrant". I'm listening to it through my headphone and it's quite clear.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

I remember reading an article about some gang bangers performing robberies yelling "Police" as they entered...

You can read the INGO consensus...

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...o_resist_how_do_you_handle_this_scenario.html

Do gangbangers usually roll up in a Lenco Bearcat whilst wearing full body armor with "police" or "sheriff" patches in bright yellow on them?

 

[USMC_0311]

Do gangbangers usually roll up in a Lenco Bearcat whilst wearing full body armor with "police" or "sheriff" patches in bright yellow on them?

At 9:00 am with sirens blaring?

 

[rjstew317]

there is a fire station about a mile down the street from me, and when the sirens go off you can hear them loud and clear. If that siren was at you door step there is no way your not going to hear it, no way.

 

[T.Lex]

Without x-ray vision, how much of that can you see from the inside?

Something doesn't seem quite right about that video, so my instinct is to call fake, but... who knows....

 

[bobzilla]

@ 7 seconds, split second before the sirens go of you can hear them yell "police, search warrant". I'm listening to it through my headphone and it's quite clear.

They were doing multiple houses, I believe that was bleed in from the house next door.

Don't forget, the guy was asleep after working the second shift. If he's in a quesionable neighborhood to start with, he's used to hearing sirens. He's also used to being prepared for anyone coming though the door.

My B-I-L (and the wife's parents and grandfather) live in Tucson. 2 years ago he had 3 guys bust down his door and window to come in and kill him and steal his prescription drugs. This is not some new thing for that area.

 

[rjstew317]

They were doing multiple houses, I believe that was bleed in from the house next door.

Don't forget, the guy was asleep after working the second shift. If he's in a quesionable neighborhood to start with, he's used to hearing sirens. He's also used to being prepared for anyone coming though the door.

My B-I-L (and the wife's parents and grandfather) live in Tucson. 2 years ago he had 3 guys bust down his door and window to come in and kill him and steal his prescription drugs. This is not some new thing for that area.

they are in his driveway. first you can't hear it, now you hear it and claim it's bleed over?
not all of Tucson is like that, that's like saying all of Indianapolis is like the east side

 

[USMC_0311]

They were doing multiple houses, I believe that was bleed in from the house next door.

Don't forget, the guy was asleep after working the second shift. If he's in a quesionable neighborhood to start with, he's used to hearing sirens. He's also used to being prepared for anyone coming though the door.

My B-I-L (and the wife's parents and grandfather) live in Tucson. 2 years ago he had 3 guys bust down his door and window to come in and kill him and steal his prescription drugs. This is not some new thing for that area.

That neighboorhood is lot nicer than the one I live in. Just wondering what time did your BIL have his house broken into did they use sirens? He was awakened by his wife first, had time to get his gun and get his people to safety. If he was trully prepared for anyone coming though the door he would still be alive. At the very least he would have gotten a shot off.

 

[bobzilla]

B-I-L fought his way out the front door. GF went out through a bedroom window. This was ~6pm, broad daylight and he comes from a NJ family that believed all guns were evil. He was used to hearing sirens and alarms at all hours of the day, so they were pretty immune to it.

He moved out that weekend, and had the house sold in two months.

 

[USMC_0311]

B-I-L fought his way out the front door. GF went out through a bedroom window. This was ~6pm, broad daylight and he comes from a NJ family that believed all guns were evil. He was used to hearing sirens and alarms at all hours of the day, so they were pretty immune to it.

He moved out that weekend, and had the house sold in two months.

Off topic but wouldn't your B-I-L's GF be your sister? or his wife?

 

[bobzilla]

I'm an only child. She is now his wife, so she is now my S-I-L, the brother is the wife's brother.

 

[rambone]

I heard sirens at the beginning. Doesn't that tip off the residents? At 9:00 am I hear sirens and then door knocks, I may not have enogh time to answer the door but I surely could drop my weapon and get my hands up. Sure is easy to second guess by watching the video.

If I was awoken from a dead sleep, hearing sirens outside, I would think that the neighbors are in trouble or there is a fleeing felon in the area. I'm not going to be pondering if SWAT and the local judge have been conspiring behind my back to raid my home over suspicions that aren't true.

If I hear commotion, I grab my gun. I KNOW that I am legit, and anyone who invades my home is NOT a friendly. I don't give a **** what kind of battle cry I hear the invaders screaming when they breach my door -- they just declared war on my family.

Maybe if these yahoos would try knocking on the door like men, and talking to the family, this kind of fatal confusion wouldn't happen. JBT tactics are to blame.

 

[USMC_0311]

If I was awoken from a dead sleep, hearing sirens outside, I would think that the neighbors are in trouble or there is a fleeing felon in the area. I'm not going to be pondering if SWAT and the local judge have been conspiring behind my back to raid my home over suspicions that aren't true.

If I hear commotion, I grab my gun. I KNOW that I am legit, and anyone who invades my home is NOT a friendly. I don't give a **** what kind of battle cry I hear the invaders screaming when they breach my door -- they just declared war on my family.

Maybe if these yahoos would try knocking on the door like men, and talking to the family, this kind of fatal confusion wouldn't happen. JBT tactics are to blame.

Hey you posted the video, I can only make my assumptions on what I see and hear. I saw a knock, I heard sirens, I heard "police search warrant".

 

[rjstew317]

If I was awoken from a dead sleep, hearing sirens outside, I would think that the neighbors are in trouble or there is a fleeing felon in the area. I'm not going to be pondering if SWAT and the local judge have been conspiring behind my back to raid my home over suspicions that aren't true.

If I hear commotion, I grab my gun. I KNOW that I am legit, and anyone who invades my home is NOT a friendly. I don't give a **** what kind of battle cry I hear the invaders screaming when they breach my door -- they just declared war on my family.

Maybe if these yahoos would try knocking on the door like men, and talking to the family, this kind of fatal confusion wouldn't happen. JBT tactics are to blame.

yeah, that would work........knock knock, "it's the police! we'll just wait here at the front door until you answer."
if you heard all that commotion outside of your house wouldn't your first inclination be to look out a window to see whats going on?

 

[christman]

Looks and sounds like he knocked to me.

 

[rambone]

Hey you posted the video, I can only make my assumptions on what I see and hear. I saw a knock, I heard sirens, I heard "police search warrant".

So generous of them to wait for 2 seconds after knocking before breaching the door. I am a deep sleeper, and nobody yelling outside my home would register in my head while I am asleep. It would probably take them more than one knock for me to even hear them at my door.

The alternative would be to knock on the door -- and actually wait for the homeowner to answer -- and and then ask them to come outside while they do a legal search.