Troy Davis Execution

[88GT]

He knows he's going to die, but he doesn't know when, then he knows when but they cancel, 4 times, it's like getting ready to die a bunch of times.And that makes it horrible.
Even more horrible if you are innocent and actually getting killed for someone else's crime.
Not that it was the case here, I dont know, the problem is that I think nobody knows for sure if he did it, unless the guy kills someone live on TV you never know for sure.

Oh, the poor bastard. Having to taste a little bit of the fear, horror, and torture he inflicted on his victims.

You'll understand if I don't shed a tear at his passing. Godspeed, Mr. Davis. Straight to hell.

 

[Benny]

I dont agree with the method because it's a real torture.
Like you said he was in jail for 20 years before being killed, that means he had a double sentence of both prison and death.
They postponed his execution 4 times in 20 years, that's horible!
Like I said I dont know anything about the case, but can you imagine being innocent, not only doing 20 years of prison but also being told times that you will get killed the next day?
How do you live like that, how do you sleep, when you dont know if you will get killed the next day, year or mouth?
Even if he was guitly that's torture and that shouldn't happen in a democracy like the US.
Plus of course the fact that when they killed him they killed the only person who really knew if he was guilty or not, besides the police officer who was killed (if he actually knew who killed him).
Since we had many cases in the past of people doing jail time and who where later found innocent, we can imagine that the same mistakes happen with executions too.
So it's possible (and plausible) that some states killed innocent people.
We will never know how many.
That's why I say I dont agree with the methods.
Once again im not talking about this case but about the general method.

With jail time you can correct, somehow, the mistakes when the person is found innocent after while, but not with death.

Did they postpone his execution because they wanted to torment him a little more or did they postpone it because he appealed?

He knows he's going to die, but he doesn't know when

That sounds familiar.

 

[Bond 281]

Doug (I will address you by your given name unless you prefer otherwise).

The witness testimony was not the sole piece of evidence. They were also able to recover shell casings (with his prints on them) from a shooting (and pistol whipping) of a homeless man outside of a burger king that occurred earlier in the evening. The shells from the shooting of the off-duty GA cop also matched the bullets used in the earlier shooting and also had his prints on them. He was convicted of the murder of the homeless man.

I believe that he is in fact guilty of the murder of the off duty officer, and ditched the weapon in an effort to move all blame from himself. Ive seen enough police reports to know that criminals will dump a weapon if they think they can get away with it.

I think he is guilty, and should be punished to the full extent of the law. He showed malice and anger when he brutally murdered the homeless man, and then to murder a cop in cold blood a few hours later... I think they should give him the chair.

As far as witness recantations... I think somebody (possibly the douchebags at Amnesty International, or members of any one of the many anti-death penalty groups) got to those people and made them an offer they couldnt refuse; I state that due to the idea that I could understand 1 or even a few of them recanting due to the incident occurring 20 years ago... but 7 out of 9 leads me to think something more sinister is at play.

He has gotten 20 years worth of shots to prove his innocence, now its time to get what he deserves.

Point of information: The shell casings did NOT have fingerprints on them according to any account I've read. The only thing regarding the shell casings I saw were that they matched the ones from the earlier drive by shooting. As for the gun, one of the witnesses was the only person known to be in possession of a .38 cal handgun, but he had conveniently given it away just before the shooting. I haven't really analyzed the case much, but on the face of things it seems like a very specious conviction. I make no judgement personally, but, as far as I can tell, there was absolutely no actual substantive evidence linking him to any shooting. The conviction seemingly hinged 100% on witness accounts. That makes the 7/9 of the witnesses recanting (and 1 of the others being the sole known owner of a .38 cal gun) a very strong case that Georgia just executed the wrong man.

 

[Hotdoger]

Point of information: The shell casings did NOT have fingerprints on them according to any account I've read. The only thing regarding the shell casings I saw were that they matched the ones from the earlier drive by shooting. As for the gun, one of the witnesses was the only person known to be in possession of a .38 cal handgun, but he had conveniently given it away just before the shooting. I haven't really analyzed the case much, but on the face of things it seems like a very specious conviction. I make no judgement personally, but, as far as I can tell, there was absolutely no actual substantive evidence linking him to any shooting. The conviction seemingly hinged 100% on witness accounts. That makes the 7/9 of the witnesses recanting (and 1 of the others being the sole known owner of a .38 cal gun) a very strong case that Georgia just executed the wrong man.

I am disgusted that we put Troy Davis to death tonight.



















We should have done it in 1989.






Don'tdrink the KoolAid!

The state presented 34 eye witnesses.

 

[Hotdoger]

Ann Coulter's take:


Mumia's The Word - HUMAN EVENTS

 

[public servant]

I don't agree. It was WAY too slow...Over twenty years too slow.

I meant the means used to kill him...not the length of time it took to finally get it done.

 

[mms]

this case made it all the way to the supreme court who took 3 hours to decide that there was not enough to stay... we pretty much only have the info that the media has fed us. if there was real reason to over turn it would have happened in the many appeals.

i think there is more evidence than we know

 

[jmiller676]

He knows he's going to die, but he doesn't know when...

Same here but, I sleep at night.

 

[NYFelon]

I meant the means used to kill him...not the length of time it took to finally get it done.

Lethal Injection, IMO, is not humane in the least. Slow suffocation followed by a heart attack aren't exactly a pleasant way to leave this world. It is of course, much more easy on the witnesses. Since the prisoner is anesthetized, they don't flail and struggle against their bonds while poor Mr and Mrs so and so do their civic duty and witness the execution. No one has nightmares about people falling asleep.

Before I go on, let me say that in principle I am pro-death penalty. In practice I find that our justice system, which is administered by fallible human beings, is too imperfect to trust that the outcome is only proper. If even one truly innocent man has been executed, it is too many.

Execution is a barbaric practice. Note, I don't say wrong, only barbaric. The level of violence we trust the state to do to other people, even convicts, reflects our ugliest and basest qualities as a people. Once again, IMO, if we are going to allow the state to practice violent barbarism in our names in the name of justice, we shouldn't hide it behind a cloak of Humanity. Let the ugliness inherent in the killing of another human being, no matter how evil that person may be, be reflected in the administration of justice. I think execution should be by firing squad. Of course you will always have mistakes in the physical application of the means of death. With lethal injection they are actually quite frequent. With a firing squad, you get pretty much the actual result lethal injection purports to stand for. A fast, relatively painless death. Except that then it will be ugly for those watching. So, who's the "humaneness" of lethal injection really for?

 

[88GT]

this case made it all the way to the supreme court who took 3 hours to decide that there was not enough to stay... we pretty much only have the info that the media has fed us. if there was real reason to over turn it would have happened in the many appeals.

i think there is more evidence than we know

Don't bother them with trivial details. We all know rooms full of educate people--half of them doing their damnedest to get the decision reversed--are incapable of seeing things as clearly as the rest of us.

 

[public servant]

Lethal Injection, IMO, is not humane in the least. Slow suffocation followed by a heart attack aren't exactly a pleasant way to leave this world. It is of course, much more easy on the witnesses. Since the prisoner is anesthetized, they don't flail and struggle against their bonds while poor Mr and Mrs so and so do their civic duty and witness the execution. No one has nightmares about people falling asleep.

Before I go on, let me say that in principle I am pro-death penalty. In practice I find that our justice system, which is administered by fallible human beings, is too imperfect to trust that the outcome is only proper. If even one truly innocent man has been executed, it is too many.

Execution is a barbaric practice. Note, I don't say wrong, only barbaric. The level of violence we trust the state to do to other people, even convicts, reflects our ugliest and basest qualities as a people. Once again, IMO, if we are going to allow the state to practice violent barbarism in our names in the name of justice, we shouldn't hide it behind a cloak of Humanity. Let the ugliness inherent in the killing of another human being, no matter how evil that person may be, be reflected in the administration of justice. I think execution should be by firing squad. Of course you will always have mistakes in the physical application of the means of death. With lethal injection they are actually quite frequent. With a firing squad, you get pretty much the actual result lethal injection purports to stand for. A fast, relatively painless death. Except that then it will be ugly for those watching. So, who's the "humaneness" of lethal injection really for?

I'm not disagreeing with you...but, you'll excuse me if I don't shed a tear. They know the consequences of their actions. It's a choice they make.

 

[jmiller676]

Lethal Injection, IMO, is not humane in the least. Slow suffocation followed by a heart attack aren't exactly a pleasant way to leave this world. It is of course, much more easy on the witnesses. Since the prisoner is anesthetized, they don't flail and struggle against their bonds while poor Mr and Mrs so and so do their civic duty and witness the execution. No one has nightmares about people falling asleep.

Before I go on, let me say that in principle I am pro-death penalty. In practice I find that our justice system, which is administered by fallible human beings, is too imperfect to trust that the outcome is only proper. If even one truly innocent man has been executed, it is too many.

Execution is a barbaric practice. Note, I don't say wrong, only barbaric. The level of violence we trust the state to do to other people, even convicts, reflects our ugliest and basest qualities as a people. Once again, IMO, if we are going to allow the state to practice violent barbarism in our names in the name of justice, we shouldn't hide it behind a cloak of Humanity. Let the ugliness inherent in the killing of another human being, no matter how evil that person may be, be reflected in the administration of justice. I think execution should be by firing squad. Of course you will always have mistakes in the physical application of the means of death. With lethal injection they are actually quite frequent. With a firing squad, you get pretty much the actual result lethal injection purports to stand for. A fast, relatively painless death. Except that then it will be ugly for those watching. So, who's the "humaneness" of lethal injection really for?

+1

I fully suport the death penalty but, how it is administered is ridiculous. If someone is given the DP make it quick and easy. The family doesn't have to show up if they don't want to. So why "protect" the victims family if they are there to witness a death.

On a side note I've heard some people say they are against the DP but not against using deadly force for defense.

 

[jmiller676]

I'm not disagreeing with you...but, you'll excuse me if I don't shed a tear. They know the consequences of their actions. It's a choice they make.

I see it as we are "protecting" the victims family from the actual truth of death by having the one who was charged "put to sleep" rather than show death at its worst. We are stopping a family from seeing the death of the guilty by having them "put to sleep" first before the lethal doses are given.

 

[BBill]

I wonder what the homeless man thought? Will he just beat me and then leave me alone?? What about the off-duty Cop?? This POS should have dimmed the lights 19 years ago!!!

 

[ATOMonkey]

Beyond a shadow of a reasonable doubt...

Seems to have lost some of its punch over the years...

We should not criminally convict someone just becasue they're the most likely one to have done the crime.

 

[NYFelon]

I'm not disagreeing with you...but, you'll excuse me if I don't shed a tear. They know the consequences of their actions. It's a choice they make.

No sir, nor will I need to break out the hanky either. I just thought I'd throw out my opinion. If I had the choice between death by chemical asphyxiation or a .308 to the heart, I'll take .308.

 

[public servant]

No sir, nor will I need to break out the hanky either. I just thought I'd throw out my opinion. If I had the choice between death by chemical asphyxiation or a .308 to the heart, I'll take .308.

I don't disagree with you. If for no other reason...it's cheaper.

 

[NYFelon]

As I am federally prohibited from purchasing or possessing cartridge ammunition, what's the going rate on a box of 165 grain .308 these days?

 

[ATOMonkey]

I don't disagree with you. If for no other reason...it's cheaper.

Also more readily available. There are very very few drug companies that make the chemicals needed to execute someone.

Lots of bullet manufacturers, and no shortage of trigger pullers wanting to volunteer.

You could even make it BYOG. Americans love their vindictive justice. An eye for an eye and all that. They're really not even terribly concerned if they got the right guy as long as he was a bad guy.

I'm not saying this guy wasn't guilty of something, but there is enough doubt to think that maybe he wasn't guilty of this particular crime.

My faith in the legal system has been shaken to put it mildly. This does nothing to help my perceptions.

 

[chizzle]

Cheaper for Lifetime in Prison than Execution

While I tend to believe that this man was guilty because he had nearly 20 years to prove his innocence, I do find it interesting that most studies find it is significantly cheaper to imprison these criminals for life than it is to execute them. Since these criminals have already received their due process, I'm not picky, as long as they're off the streets.

To execute or not: A question of cost? - US news - Crime & courts - msnbc.com

When the facts are presented in this manner, it really begs the question... What is more important, putting these criminals where they can't hurt anyone (lifetime in prison) or killing them in an effort to make people feel better.