Tonight at walmart

[MrBogok]

As long as the officer was cute...

 

[public servant]

Probably insurance reasons.

I'm sure it is...but if Wal-Mart hung a "no guns" sign and stated it was for "insurance reasons", that would be OK?

It's still a restriction.

 

[lashicoN]

No offense to anyone here, But I hate when I see people open carrying. I've carried a gun since I was 18. I've never once felt the need to walk around displaying it. The only people I personally have ever seen open carrying were morons that wanted to look like bad asses.

For example I went to a walmart and seen a fellow walking around with his 1911 in a shoulder holster on top of his jacket. He was going out of his way to make sure everyone got to see it. and all around him other customers were staring at him and obviously felt uncomfortable about it.

Sure your allowed to do it. But I see no reason at all to do it. I see it as something that hurts everyone with a LTCH. Also why would you want the attention that you know it will cause?

No offense to anyone here, but I hate it when people talk about things that they know absolutely nothing about. Just a little bit ago, I read some guy on a forum trying to sound like a bad ***, talking bad about OCers because he doesn't understand what the law in Indiana is and what the point of open carrying a handgun is. I think those types of people should be limited in their freedom of speech. Sure, they can talk like that at home, but when they come onto a public forum I just don't see the point, so since I don't see the point, it should be restricted. People who talk like that make the rest of us who only use our Freedom of Speech for good things look bad. I just don't see why these public talkers want all this attention. I just don't get it.

 

[E5RANGER375]

All Walmart has to do is say no guns on our property. If you are seen with one it is criminal tresspass. They do not have to ask you to leave. You can be arrested on the spot. You will go to jail. You will lose your CCW license. And you won't be able to carry a gun again for a very long time, if ever.

not true at all. they have to personaly face to face tell you to leave, and then they can tresspass you from coming back if they wish. but you will not be arrested, you will not lose your license to carry. for sure. yes they can have the police ask you to leave for them, but no charges can be filed unless you dont leave peacefully.

 

[lashicoN]

All Walmart has to do is say no guns on our property. If you are seen with one it is criminal tresspass. They do not have to ask you to leave. You can be arrested on the spot. You will go to jail. You will lose your CCW license. And you won't be able to carry a gun again for a very long time, if ever.quote]

not true at all. they have to personaly face to face tell you to leave, and then they can tresspass you from coming back if they wish. but you will not be arrested, you will not lose your license to carry. for sure

I believe he stated that he "stood corrected" on the trespass issue. He was thinking of Texas.

In any case, I don't mind them revoking my CCW, because I don't have one. I've got a LTCH (License To Carry Handgun).

 

[E5RANGER375]

No offense to anyone here, But I hate when I see people open carrying. I've carried a gun since I was 18. I've never once felt the need to walk around displaying it. The only people I personally have ever seen open carrying were morons that wanted to look like bad asses.

sorry but not true. yes some do it to look tough and should be beaten till close to death. but open carry is actually the most recomended way to carry from anyone with tactical carry experience. you have a clear easy path to your weapon when seconds count, and its a deterent too. i dont like making people worried or nervous, but i dont open carry looking like a thug either, so i have never had a problem. what if it makes me uncomfortable when i see people wearing big crosses and throwing religion in my face??? its their right, just like its mine to carry as long as i dont infrindge on their rights. trust me if SHTF they would be begging for someone to have a gun and fight off a criminal, but when they feel safe (blinders on) they dont want anything else to do with guns. I have more training and trigger time (and have been in real combat) than most patrol cops they will ever see. what would you rather have?? me firing 3 shots if that and getting the job done or 200 rounds fired by the cops and damage and possible civilian casualties?? i'll bet on me any day!!

 

[Jack Ryan]

I'm not asking to drag a bleeding bag of dead cats through your store, I just want to keep my weapon for self-defense on me, holstered.

No one is stopping you.

If I tell you not to bring it on my property, you would be wise to keep it on you and holstered and off my property.

 

[Jack Ryan]

The tragedy of this story is the sheeple won this battle.

No the sheep with wolf's claw necklace got man handled by two or three unarmed females and tossed out of Mao Mart on his rump to do his "educating" from the curb.

 

[lashicoN]

No one is stopping you.

If I tell you not to bring it on my property, you would be wise to keep it on you and holstered and off my property.

What? You are stopping me if you tell me not to to bring it on your property. Do you want me to keep it on me, holstered or stay off your property? I don't understand anything in your post.

Also, if you aren't comfortable enough to allow me onto your property while I'm carrying my self-defense, I'm not comfortable enough to come over to your property, so we won't ever have any problems. And once again, YOUR private property isn't an open 24 hours business that invites in anything and everyone.

 

[BloodEclipse]

I found this over on OpenCarry.org
Wal-Mart Corp. Contact Wanted - Open Carry Questions - Open Carry Brigade - OpenCarry.org - Discussion Forum

I placed a call to Wal-Mart Corporate.
They directed me back down to the Regional Marketing Office.
They gave me POC name Cory Confer @ 570-821-6180.
I called – he’s out today but the Regional Management Assistant took my info and told me that one of the other Regional Mangers would return my call.

So….Mr Robert Reck called me back. 717 Area Code. He was absolutely confident in his tone. He was “at-his-fingertips” clear about Wal-Mart policy. And was absolutely FIRM with his answer.

And I was bowled over SHOCKED at how friendly and supportive Mr Reck was.
I told him the details of the incident.
I didn’t tell Mr. Reck that his manager was condescending at one point. And I didn’t tell Mr. Reck that I drew attention to the manager’s weight.
I DID tell Mr Reck that the two managers handled the entire situation without drawing any attention whatsoever to what we were talking about.

Now for the shocker – and this is from coming from the Regional Manager servicing areas south of us (717 area code).

Mr. Reck was pleased that his managers did not draw attention to the situation.

HOWEVER – he was alarmed that the managers made me cover up and even more alarmed that I was told that if I am seen OC’ing in Wal-Mart again…..they’d call DCPD and have me escorted out. He flat out told me that is untrue and his managers were WRONG. They absolutely CANNOT ask customers to cover. Reason is that the managers have no right to demand you to produce your carry permit (though he said they can ask???) and therefore cannot definitively prove that you ARE a valid LTCF holder. Mr Reck was immediately alarmed because he knew that that practice could, invariable, cause a customer to be in a situation where they ARE breaking the law (concealed with no permit). Kudos to him.
Point#1 – Wal-Mart Regional Manager Robert Reck said managers are NOT permitted to tell customers to cover….ever.

Mr. Reck was even more alarmed that I was told that the DCPD would escort me out if I were seen OC’ing again. He said that is absolutely untrue and that I should NOT be asked to leave the store based on the fact that I have a firearm on my hip. Lawfully armed citizens are welcome in Wal-Mart.

Mr. Reck acknowledged that there is new management in place and said that he will absolutely be getting in touch with store #1884 (Dickson City) management to refresh them on how to handle lawfully armed customers.

Point#2 – Wal-Mart Regional Manager Robert Reck said managers are NOT permitted to tell customers to leave the store because of lawful firearms carry.

SO……how ARE they supposed to handle us? Mr. Reck explained.
If another customer were to notify management that they are nervous because they saw another customer with a firearm…..then management WILL approach the armed customer and ask if they have a permit (why he was saying this, I dunno). There isn’t much more that management can do – Mr. Reck says that he trains all his managers to, if in such a situation, approach and introduce and ask if the gun carrier is a permit holder (but they cannot demand it produced). Then the manager is supposed to go BACK to the initial customer who complained and reassure them that the armed customer, for all intensive purposes, is lawfully carrying a firearm.

Another thing that Mr. Reck made ABSOLUTELY clear is that managers ARE NOT to tell customers to go back and secure their firearm in their vehicle. Because, he said, first of all, lawfully armed citizens are welcome in Wal-Mart. Secondly, he briefly shared a story about an incident that occurred recently in his jurisdiction…….a manager wrongfully instructed a customer to leave the store and lock the gun in his car….then he may return to the store. Wellllll somebody overheard this and when the gun guy went back into the store, his firearm was stolen from his vehicle. Mr Reck said that incident turned into quite a mess.

Point#3 – Wal-Mart Regional Manager Robert Reck said managers are NOT permitted to tell customers to go lock their firearms in their vehicles.

So towards the end of our conversation I asked Mr. Reck……”So the next time I visit the Dickson City Wal-Mart, may I be permitted to continue to wear my firearm as I always had?” He said “Absolutely.” He’ll be getting in touch with the 1884 management team to clarify Wal-Marts firearm policy.

 

[Jack Ryan]

What? You are stopping me if you tell me not to to bring it on your property. Do you want me to keep it on me, holstered or stay off your property? I don't understand anything in your post.

Also, if you aren't comfortable enough to allow me onto your property while I'm carrying my self-defense, I'm not comfortable enough to come over to your property, so we won't ever have any problems. And once again, YOUR private property isn't an open 24 hours business that invites in anything and everyone.

No wonder you have trouble understanding signs. May be they should draw pictures.

 

[lashicoN]

No wonder you have trouble understanding signs. May be they should draw pictures.

You ought to tell the people talking in your head to quiet down. It may give you a chance to read up on some of the things I've said...none of which included anything about understanding a sign.

Classy though, you can't reinforce the nonsense babble about me "holstering a gun on while not at your property or stay off and" so you take a pitiful little personal shot.

 

[rc5699]

sorry but not true. yes some do it to look tough and should be beaten till close to death. but open carry is actually the most recomended way to carry from anyone with tactical carry experience. you have a clear easy path to your weapon when seconds count, and its a deterent too. i dont like making people worried or nervous, but i dont open carry looking like a thug either, so i have never had a problem. what if it makes me uncomfortable when i see people wearing big crosses and throwing religion in my face??? its their right, just like its mine to carry as long as i dont infrindge on their rights. trust me if SHTF they would be begging for someone to have a gun and fight off a criminal, but when they feel safe (blinders on) they dont want anything else to do with guns. I have more training and trigger time (and have been in real combat) than most patrol cops they will ever see. what would you rather have?? me firing 3 shots if that and getting the job done or 200 rounds fired by the cops and damage and possible civilian casualties?? i'll bet on me any day!!

Like I said every single open carrier I've ever seen looked like a moron that was trying to look cool. I didn't say all of them were. Just all the ones I've encountered. When you are so determined to make sure everyone sees your gun that your willing to wear a shoulder holster over your denim jacket then something is wrong with you. That is making yourself uncomfortable just so you can make everyone else around you uncomfortable lol


As far as your comment about how tactical it is to have your weapon in the open, I disagree. Very strongly. I'm a ex law enforcement officer. As such I got use to the concept of making sure my gun stayed on my hip. You would be amazed at how easy it is to take a persons gun out of their holster. Go to police academy and you'll find out it can be done in an instant. We use high retention holsters and buddy I could walk up and snatch a glock out of those retention holsters like you wouldn't believe.

Police officers open carry, everyone knows they have a gun so you know what we get a crapload of training on how to keep that gun. Now sure police officer have to deal with potentially dangerous people and situations all the time, stuff most people don't ever have to deal with. But do you know how many police officers have been killed with their own weapon?


How many people out their are trained in sidearm retention? Probably not that many. I betcha the majority of these "tactical operators" out there are just as likely to end up with their gun snatched as they are to save a few millisecond on their draw time.

Just think, if the bad guy has the ability and balls to take a Cops gun and kill him with it, then what makes anyone think a bad guy couldn't/wouldn't do the same to Joe blow at the gas station.

If you open carry then bad guy sees your gun. If he has a gun and you don't know it then who has the advantage? You do know armed robberies have happened where the only thing stolen is the victims gun right? If you CC then bad guy won't know that you have a gun for him to steal. Just one advantage to CC in my opinion.

 

[lashicoN]

Like I said every single open carrier I've ever seen looked like a moron that was trying to look cool. I didn't say all of them were. Just all the ones I've encountered. When you are so determined to make sure everyone sees your gun that your willing to wear a shoulder holster over your denim jacket then something is wrong with you. That is making yourself uncomfortable just so you can make everyone else around you uncomfortable lol


As far as your comment about how tactical it is to have your weapon in the open, I disagree. Very strongly. I'm a ex law enforcement officer. As such I got use to the concept of making sure my gun stayed on my hip. You would be amazed at how easy it is to take a persons gun out of their holster. Go to police academy and you'll find out it can be done in an instant. We use high retention holsters and buddy I could walk up and snatch a glock out of those retention holsters like you wouldn't believe.

Police officers open carry, everyone knows they have a gun so you know what we get a crapload of training on how to keep that gun. Now sure police officer have to deal with potentially dangerous people and situations all the time, stuff most people don't ever have to deal with. But do you know how many police officers have been killed with their own weapon?


How many people out their are trained in sidearm retention? Probably not that many. I betcha the majority of these "tactical operators" out there are just as likely to end up with their gun snatched as they are to save a few millisecond on their draw time.

Just think, if the bad guy has the ability and balls to take a Cops gun and kill him with it, then what makes anyone think a bad guy couldn't/wouldn't do the same to Joe blow at the gas station.

That is a very common argument. People will just walk right up to you and take your gun and murder you with it. I'm sure it has happened before, but I've never read an article where it did happen. Can you cite any stories where this has happened to an OCer? It certainly doesn't happen on the level that you anti OCers claim it does. Anything "could" happen. If a guy is willing to walk up to an armed person, steal his gun, and kill him with it, then what is to stop that person from walking up to my car, breaking the window out and pulling me out of the car? Should I just give up driving too? We can't let the "what ifs" rule our lives. I don't have it in me right now to go into another huge argument of OC vs CC with someone, but I'm sure someone around here will we happy to continue it with you.

I have yet to have someone come up behind me and tear my handgun out of my shoulder holster while OCing. Not saying it couldn't possibly ever happen, but just about anything could.

 

[rc5699]

I promise you, no one will ever take your gun out of your holster if they don't know it's there. Just sayin

 

[lashicoN]

I promise you, no one will ever take your gun out of your holster if they don't know it's there. Just sayin

On that, we fully agree.

 

[ATM]

I promise you, no one will ever take your gun out of your holster if they don't know it's there. Just sayin

True, but they might still find it when they are removing your other valuables from your unconscious body after they attacked what seemed to be an easy mark.

Just sayin'.

I would suggest discussing these points in more detail here: https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...lf_defense/71996-the_open_carry_argument.html

 

[Timjoebillybob]

No the sheep with wolf's claw necklace got man handled by two or three unarmed females and tossed out of Mao Mart on his rump to do his "educating" from the curb.

How do you get that they were unarmed? Most LEOs are armed when on duty. The two females that followed him through the store may have been unarmed but unless your one of them how do you know? Are you one of the women involved Jack? Also he only mentioned the gender of one of the officers.

 

[Josh Ward]

I honestly can't for the life of me understand the strong anti-OC sentiment on this board. It makes no sense to me. We are all supposedly Pro2A. Its perfectly legal (as it should be) to OC in Indiana. Why the hate??? I don't get it.

For the record, I CC and OC both, depending on many factors.

 

[ATM]

I honestly can't for the life of me understand the strong anti-OC sentiment on this board...

Usually it's a small batch of newer members who haven't truly thought much about it or been exposed to any other points of view. They tend to get over it quickly and most will veer toward a more neutral position with time.


But there will always be a few...