Tonight at walmart

[pig957]

No, I would have asked them to state the law saying it has to be covered and two I don't think that LEO's can tell you to leave unless management is there with them. My mom does security at Wal-Mart (up north) and she has to be present for situations involving LEO at the store. And yes, print off the laws. Did you happen to get names of the officers?

The only law that any LEO can recite are those that he/she uses multiple times in a day, usually traffic violations (speeding). Asking them to state the law would only have made things worse.

 

[norsk]

unless I missed it, no one has asked yet which walmart it was...so where was it?

 

[youngda9]

Maybe we should organize an Indiana Wal-Mart OC Day soon? We all go at the same time to our local WalMart with em right on our hips.

This attitude is one of being a troublemaker. The OC-er had the police called on him(by WM) and has been asked to leave. The proper avenue now is a diplomatic one(letters and calls to WM corporate and the po-pos).

I've noticed this attitude a lot with the OC crowd...it shouldn't be about getting attention or causing trouble. Excercising your rights and standing up for them is great...but don't go about causing trouble and going places that you know you will be asked to leave. What will getting the cops called on a pack of OC-ers proove...nothing but to tell WM that you are hostile to their policies, wishes, and property rights You'll be seen as a troublemaker by others, as I am viewing your comments now.

 

[Patriot]

I printed out a copy of the link below, page 7

http://www.in.gov/isp/files/firearms_FAQ_02_08.pdf

I keep a copy of it in my wallet if such a situation should arise.

Does Indiana statute require me to carry the handgun on my person concealed or
exposed?
Indiana law is silent on this issue; however, carrying an exposed weapon in public may
alarm some people. Also, the right to carry a firearm may be restricted on private
property and businesses by the owners. Be attentive for signs warning of restricted
areas when carrying firearms into public places. If approached by law enforcement for
official business such as traffic stops or complaint related inquiries, it is recommended
that you tell the officer in a non-threatening manner that you are carrying a weapon or
have a weapon in the vehicle and that you have a valid permit. A law enforcement
officer does have the right to inspect the permit.

 

[jedi]

This attitude is one of being a troublemaker. The OC-er had the police called on him(by WM) and has been asked to leave. The proper avenue now is a diplomatic one(letters and calls to WM corporate and the po-pos).

I've noticed this attitude a lot with the OC crowd...it shouldn't be about getting attention or causing trouble. Excercising your rights and standing up for them is great...but don't go about causing trouble and going places that you know you will be asked to leave. What will getting the cops called on a pack of OC-ers proove...nothing but to tell WM that you are hostile to their policies, wishes, and property rights You'll be seen as a troublemaker by others, as I am viewing your comments now.

WM corporate policy *IS* to follow whatever the state law in that their store in in. This has been stated time and time again here and confirmed by letters posted here from WM if I am not mistaken.

The simple act of a group OC is NOT causing trouble. There is nothing wrong in doing just that. It's one way to express and educate the masses that OC is legal. The more than OC is done the more that people will realize that it's nothing to fear.

 

[youngda9]

WM corporate policy *IS* to follow whatever the state law in that their store in in. This has been stated time and time again here and confirmed by letters posted here from WM if I am not mistaken.

Perhaps, but this store is not following that policy...this has been proven. Until a response from corporate is obtained stating the the store in question will be educated on the corporate policy, any knowing OC-er going into the store is clearly going to be asked to leave and have the cops called on them...I would call this causing trouble(for the store, the police, and my tax dollars) where not necessary.

The simple act of a group OC is NOT causing trouble. There is nothing wrong in doing just that. It's one way to express and educate the masses that OC is legal. The more than OC is done the more that people will realize that it's nothing to fear.

This store will call the cops on you and have you removed, this has been proven. This is causing trouble and wasting police resources that would be much better served tracking down real criminals, and not dealing with your little protest of this store's policies.

This is not about WM fearing your OC, it is about them being mis-guided about corporate policies. This is also about the police being mis-informed about state law. Going back to WM to OC will do nothing to correct WM or the Police errors. Your avenue here is a political one until it gets sorted out. Then feel free to OC in WM all you want to try and make them realize whatever you want.

 

[Cemetery-man]

This is exactly why I do not OC in public, especially busy stores like Wal Mart. Right or wrong, law, store policy, whatever, it's just not worth the hassle that is sure to happen sooner or later. To me shopping is a pain-in-the-butt chore which I want to get over as soon as possible and without incident. I sure don't want to make it any worse by getting hassled by uneducated store employees, shoppers and LEO's which results in delays, searches, explanations, complaints, letters, apologies, etc. etc.. Not a fun day of shopping to me!

One thing is guaranteed.... "If you do it, they will come!"

 

[Blue Tile Spook]

I'm a disabled vet with nothing but time. I enjoyed it.

 

[kwatters]

This is exactly why I do not OC in public, especially busy stores like Wal Mart. Right or wrong, law, store policy, whatever, it's just not worth the hassle that is sure to happen sooner or later. To me shopping is a pain-in-the-butt chore which I want to get over as soon as possible and without incident. I sure don't want to make it any worse by getting hassled by uneducated store employees, shoppers and LEO's which results in delays, searches, explanations, complaints, letters, apologies, etc. etc.. Not a fun day of shopping to me!

One thing is guaranteed.... "If you do it, they will come!"

Not only that but I don't think it helps our cause.

 

[360]

This attitude is one of being a troublemaker. The OC-er had the police called on him(by WM) and has been asked to leave. The proper avenue now is a diplomatic one(letters and calls to WM corporate and the po-pos).

I've noticed this attitude a lot with the OC crowd...it shouldn't be about getting attention or causing trouble. Excercising your rights and standing up for them is great...but don't go about causing trouble and going places that you know you will be asked to leave. What will getting the cops called on a pack of OC-ers proove...nothing but to tell WM that you are hostile to their policies, wishes, and property rights You'll be seen as a troublemaker by others, as I am viewing your comments now.

I don't care how people see me. I know what I am doing and why I am doing it, and it wasn't to cause trouble. Your excuse is why we are talking about this in the first place.

WM corporate policy *IS* to follow whatever the state law in that their store in in. This has been stated time and time again here and confirmed by letters posted here from WM if I am not mistaken.

The simple act of a group OC is NOT causing trouble. There is nothing wrong in doing just that. It's one way to express and educate the masses that OC is legal. The more than OC is done the more that people will realize that it's nothing to fear.

This is where I was going with it, until is was misconstrued.

 

[alwalker84]

Anyone have the link to the tread where someone posted a wallet-size "IN Carry Laws". That would have been helpful for the OP to show as a quick ref. for the LEOs that did not know the law in this case regarding the OC. Can't find it via the INGO search feature right now. --sigh--

 

[360]

See post 26

 

[youngda9]

I don't care how people see me. I know what I am doing and why I am doing it, and it wasn't to cause trouble. Your excuse is why we are talking about this in the first place.

Agreed...I don't have any problem with OC or group OC...it's fine.

But in this case, knowing what we know now, going BACK to the store in question will not clear up their ignorance, it will only serve to solidify their opinions about OC people as not respecting their(wrongly perceived) policy and property rights(since the OP had been asked to leave once already). It will get the cops called on you and you will be asked to leave.

So when you state "Maybe we should organize an Indiana Wal-Mart OC Day soon"...then you would clearly run into trouble since you know the cops will be called.

This is where I was going with it, until is was misconstrued.

Seemed to me like you were saying that group OC to this particular store would be fine at this time. I saw no mention to go after the issue was cleared up with the cops and the store. It wasn't clear by what you posted, you made no mention of when except to say "soon". You didn't say after this is sorted out, lets go back as a group to show them what a swell buncy of guys we are and that they now have our support and our buisness.

Your full post quoted "Maybe we should organize an Indiana Wal-Mart OC Day soon? We all go at the same time to our local WalMart with em right on our hips. "

 

[lashicoN]

This attitude is one of being a troublemaker. The OC-er had the police called on him(by WM) and has been asked to leave. The proper avenue now is a diplomatic one(letters and calls to WM corporate and the po-pos).

I've noticed this attitude a lot with the OC crowd...it shouldn't be about getting attention or causing trouble. Excercising your rights and standing up for them is great...but don't go about causing trouble and going places that you know you will be asked to leave. What will getting the cops called on a pack of OC-ers proove...nothing but to tell WM that you are hostile to their policies, wishes, and property rights You'll be seen as a troublemaker by others, as I am viewing your comments now.

It isn't about getting attention or causing trouble. It's about not making a big deal of the fact that normal people carry guns too. See? It's right out in the open, just sitting there, not killing anyone. I think having a "pack" of OCers thrown out of Wal Mart actually is a great point, and when the head corporate office finds out that those eight guys had a combined total over $3,000.00 worth of Wal Mart goods in their carts, they probably will give the local store a "refresher" course on how to treat it's law abiding customers, especially if their corporate policy is to obey local laws.

 

[IndyMonkey]

I bet some of you guys tip toe around your wife when shes mad too. Stand up and claim what is rightfully ours. Be a man.

 

[360]

Seemed to me like you were saying that group OC to this particular store would be fine at this time. I saw no mention to go after the issue was cleared up with the cops and the store. It wasn't clear by what you posted, you made no mention of when except to say "soon". You didn't say after this is sorted out, lets go back as a group to show them what a swell buncy of guys we are and that they now have our support and our buisness.

Your full post quoted "Maybe we should organize an Indiana Wal-Mart OC Day soon? We all go at the same time to our local WalMart with em right on our hips. "

Not the one in question, just as I stated. We could hit a hundred Wal-Marts at once.

 

[youngda9]

It isn't about getting attention or causing trouble. It's about not making a big deal of the fact that normal people carry guns too.

Having 8 guys show up with guns to knowingly get called the cops on them is not about attention, and no big deal will be made about it...rrriiiggghhhttt.

After this is sorted out with the cops and the store then I agree with you. But until it is it will only cause trouble since you already know the outcome.

See? It's right out in the open, just sitting there, not killing anyone. I think having a "pack" of OCers thrown out of Wal Mart actually is a great point, and when the head corporate office finds out that those eight guys had a combined total over $3,000.00 worth of Wal Mart goods in their carts, they probably will give the local store a "refresher" course on how to treat it's law abiding customers, especially if their corporate policy is to obey local laws.

Probably would. It also probably would allow all of the shoppers of the store get to see 8 argumentitive(proclaiming their rights, and rightly so) OC-ers get escorted out of the store by multiple cops(since the store would ask them to leave since they don't understand their corporate policy). It would also allow all of the employees to understand that these people clearly belive their gun rights trump the store's property rights, which they don't.

I'm not sure if your scenario is all that much of a "win" for your cause.

Diplomacy is your best bet until this gets sorted out. Then after it gets sorted out go back as a group to show them what a swell buncy of guys we are and that they now have our support and our buisness. This is the "win" you're looking for.

 

[youngda9]

Not the one in question, just as I stated. We could hit a hundred Wal-Marts at once.

Ahhh, thanks for clarifying. It seemed to me that the store in question would have been included.

 

[TheLoneRaider]

This is exactly why I do not OC in public, especially busy stores like Wal Mart. Right or wrong, law, store policy, whatever, it's just not worth the hassle that is sure to happen sooner or later. To me shopping is a pain-in-the-butt chore which I want to get over as soon as possible and without incident. I sure don't want to make it any worse by getting hassled by uneducated store employees, shoppers and LEO's which results in delays, searches, explanations, complaints, letters, apologies, etc. etc.. Not a fun day of shopping to me!

One thing is guaranteed.... "If you do it, they will come!"

 

[LCPer]

Update....I talked to the chief of police today. He said I have every right to carry how ever I want. I filled out a report on the lady officer. He said she was in the wrong. I told him he needs to have officers trained on the handgun law. Now for Walmart I went in an talked to the big boss of the store an told him my story an he said there is no store policy on weapons in the store. So I'm going to be calling the main office an see what I can do.......THANKS TO ALL WHO POSTED!

It is pretty clear the OP has a handle on the situation. Does anyone even read these post or do they just keep posting to stir things up? Geeeez!