To mask or not to mask....That is the question. Part II

[wtburnette]

I can agree on that. But who knows if it is virtue signaling or not. I can't read minds. And there are a lot of people (read metric **** ton) out there who do think that masks work.

When St. Fauci's own emails say they don't do any good and he was the largest proponent of masks, I can pretty well draw my own conclusions that masks don't work. They need to be a specific type and they need to have procedures around them to do any good at all and even then they're only effective to a point (without resorting to respirator and high end type of gear). The crap they've been saying is fine for us to wear is absolute . As soon as I saw the analogy of trying to block mosquitoes with a chain link fence, I understood that masks can't work. It's not my fault there are plenty of parents willing to drink the and the ignorant and partisan school boards and teacher's unions who push this crap for political reasons.

 

[chipbennett]

How is it a strawman?
"an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
"her familiar procedure of creating a straw man by exaggerating their approach"" Notice the example given.

No. Still not a straw man. Intentionally and clearly applying your logic to other/similar circumstances to demonstrate that the logic does not hold. Your argument was that anything stated as "classroom rules" was fair game. I merely proved the error of that point.

Now, if the original argument was not that anything stated as a "classroom rule" was fair game, and I was arguing against that point, then that would be a straw man.

"That authority is generally limited to legitimate matters related to the schooling, such as classroom rules/decorum, schoolwork/homework, etc."
Your statement just bolded a different part.

Ignoring stated context while claiming my argument is a straw man. Brilliant.

Is the health and safety of the students not a legitimate matter? Whether you agree that masks help or not (I'm of the mind that they generally don't help) is besides the point. The school has made the determination that they do or at least that is what they say.

So, under the same rationale, can the teacher establish a "classroom rule" that all girls must take the HPV vaccine?

Schools, teachers, etc. are not authorized to make health decisions for students.

Just like they made the decision that unnatural hair colors interfere with the classroom environment.

Do you sincerely not see a difference between the matter of ostentatious hair color and forced mask-wearing, in terms of impacting classroom decorum?

 

[chipbennett]

Nothing ironic about it. Somebody has to set dress code policy for a building full of students. Better those who actually participate in their education have a say, rather than some outside, uninterested party of only tangential relevance based solely on taxes, and not on any actual social or practical considerations.

Why are you talking about dress code? The authority of the school, within reason, to establish a dress code is not in dispute.

You've withdrawn from society on this matter. Stay in your lane.

A) Choosing to homeschool one's children is not "withdrawing from society"
B) No

 

[JTScribe]

Mask Use and Ventilation Improvements to Reduce COVID-19 ...

To meet the educational, physical, social, and emotional needs of children, many U.S. schools opened for in-person ...

www.cdc.gov

"investigations that have identified school staff members as important contributors to school-based SARS-CoV-2 transmission"

"The 21% lower incidence in schools that required mask use among students was not statistically significant compared with schools where mask use was optional. "

 

[actaeon277]

They’re trying to steer kids away from using self defense. Been doing this for years. They should focus more on teaching kids how to defend themselves, so the little a holes of society will learn a swift lesson and hopefully not grow up to see what self defense is like in the real world.

And this is one of the reasons of school shootings.
Kids can't defend themselves.
Then they keep getting beat.
Pretty soon, they think they have no other options.

 

[actaeon277]

Classroom rule, have to wear a mask. Not saying I agree with it, but that's the rule.


Well I assume at least part of this was directed at me, so. She wasn't arrested for not wearing a mask, she was arrested for trespassing. And I never said it's all good, I stated if she lied about that.. For myself I don't wear a mask unless it's required. And even then sometimes not. But if asked/told to leave, I leave. Same as if I'm carrying a firearm, and they have no firearms posted.

Okay, that wasn't in the video I saw. But that is also outside, not inside. And also not in the building where the rule was masks required. The officers that came inside and escorted her out were all masked up properly.

She was arrested for "Criminal Trespass"... for not wearing the mask.

 

[JettaKnight]

Classroom rule: wear a Gold Star. Not saying I agree with it, but that's the rule...

Classroom rule: chant, "Barack Hussein Obama. Mmmm, mmm, mmmm." Not saying I agree with it, but that's the rule...

Classroom rule: declare your own white privilege. Not saying I agree with it, but that's the rule...

Classroom rule: pray to Allah five times a day. Not saying I agree with it, but that's the rule...

Invoking Godwin's law? I'd expect a better argument with less straw from you, Chip.I

(Edit: yes, I'm catching up here)

 

[Timjoebillybob]

No. Still not a straw man. Intentionally and clearly applying your logic to other/similar circumstances to demonstrate that the logic does not hold. Your argument was that anything stated as "classroom rules" was fair game. I merely proved the error of that point.

Now, if the original argument was not that anything stated as a "classroom rule" was fair game, and I was arguing against that point, then that would be a straw man.


Ignoring stated context while claiming my argument is a straw man. Brilliant.


So, under the same rationale, can the teacher establish a "classroom rule" that all girls must take the HPV vaccine?

Schools, teachers, etc. are not authorized to make health decisions for students.


Do you sincerely not see a difference between the matter of ostentatious hair color and forced mask-wearing, in terms of impacting classroom decorum?

I never said that anything stated as a classroom rule was fair game, if you disagree please point out where I said it. Also equating requiring masks in school to the nazis? Yeah strawman.

Is HPV airborne? I know schools that require a minimum of 24hrs fever/vomiting/diarrhea un-medicated free before returning to school. Is that making a health decision? I also know of schools that if a child has head lice they are not allowed to return without proof that they are lice free(generally school nurse check). And in case you didn't know, head lice aren't generally airborne.

Can both a child with ostentatious hair color and a student who refuses to wear a mask in class cause a distraction?

Why are you talking about dress code? The authority of the school, within reason, to establish a dress code is not in dispute.

What if part of the dress code is a mask requirement?

She was arrested for "Criminal Trespass"... for not wearing the mask.

She was told to leave for not wearing a mask, she was arrested after refusing to leave.

Invoking Godwin's law? I'd expect a better argument with less straw from you, Chip.I

(Edit: yes, I'm catching up here)

Agreed.

 

[J Galt]

Rand Paul has some words on masks and lockdowns. (click for the link to Rumble)

This man (and his father) are legend. He is more than a politician, he is actually a leader.

 

[nonobaddog]

This man (and his father) are legend. He is more than a politician, he is actually a leader.

So was Les Paul. Must be the name.

 

[jamil]

How is that a strawman? The point is that simply saying something is a "classroom rule" doesn't justify its appropriateness.


In point of fact: no, I did not say that. You seem to be conveniently missing some added context of my statement. Allow me to repeat myself: That authority is generally limited to legitimate matters related to the schooling, such as classroom rules/decorum, schoolwork/homework, etc.

A mask mandate is not a legitimate matter related to schooling.


Hair color/style rules, dress/uniform rules, and similar - within reason - fall squarely under legitimate rules related to decorum.

Not that I'm arguing either side of this. But say masks were actually effective at stopping covid. Would a mask mandate be as legitimately related to schooling as, say, a dress code?

 

[nonobaddog]

What if they made the masks out of that pleated plaid material - would they work any better then?

 

[jamil]

What if they made the masks out of that pleated plaid material - would they work any better then?

Seresucker. That definitely would be more effective. And lightweight.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

What if they made the masks out of that pleated plaid material - would they work any better then?

Depends on weather, month of the year, and the moons cycle.


Don’t argue with science

 

[Tombs]

What if they made the masks out of that pleated plaid material - would they work any better then?

Something like this but a little more stylish, I'm assuming?

Surely 100% efficacy.

 

[nonobaddog]

I was thinking more like the plaid skirts the school girls wear. It works for them.

 

[oze]

I was thinking more like the plaid skirts the school girls wear. It works for them.

Works for me as well.

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[jamil]

I was thinking more like the plaid skirts the school girls wear. It works for them.

 

[rhamersley]

I was thinking more like the plaid skirts the school girls wear. It works for them.

Sorry, that probably doesn’t keep anything out…just sayin’.

 

[chipbennett]

I never said that anything stated as a classroom rule was fair game, if you disagree please point out where I said it.

Let's go back up-thread, then, shall we? Roll tape: "Classroom rule, have to wear a mask. Not saying I agree with it, but that's the rule."

That's what you said, and what I was replying to. As stated, the implication is that masks have to be worn because mask-wearing is a "classroom rule." If there are alternate interpretations, I'd love to hear them.

Also equating requiring masks in school to the nazis? Yeah strawman.

You know what's funny here? This, right here, is what an actual straw man argument looks like. Nowhere did I equate wearing masks in schools to the Nazis. And bonus points for using a straw man to make a specious claim of invoking a straw man. Well-played.

Is HPV airborne? I know schools that require a minimum of 24hrs fever/vomiting/diarrhea un-medicated free before returning to school. Is that making a health decision? I also know of schools that if a child has head lice they are not allowed to return without proof that they are lice free(generally school nurse check). And in case you didn't know, head lice aren't generally airborne.

And so we're back to conflating the symptomatic with the non-symptomatic.

Someone showing Covid symptoms should be at home, away from other people, not in school (or anywhere else), wearing a mask or otherwise.

Can both a child with ostentatious hair color and a student who refuses to wear a mask in class cause a distraction?

One is an inherent distraction. The other is not. Millions of students have attended classes for decades maskless; the lack of a mask is not inherently a distraction.

What if part of the dress code is a mask requirement?

Cool! What else can we make an arbitrary part of the dress code? How about burkas? How about a sign that says, "I am a colonial occupier"?