The open carry debate continues...

[88GT]

Well, technically, there are laws in most jurisdictions (yep, even Indiana) that prohibit letting a dog run loose through the community. Anyway, as previously noted:

I carry a gun.

I don't OC to 'flaunt my rights', I don't CC because I'm 'afraid to flaunt my rights'.

There are times when OC is appropriate, and inappropriate. There are times when CC is appropriate, and inappropriate.

I am wise enough to know the difference. I have to be, because...

I carry a gun.

This implies there are universal standards for when it is appropriate to OC and when it is appropriate to CC. Is that your argument?

 

[cbhausen]

I carry wherever it's legal to do so. My holster is OWB and I'm not changing it. If I happen to be wearing an outer garment which covers it up, I'm CC. If I happen to not be wearing a jacket or shirt which covers it up I'm OC. And if my evil black Glock makes someone nervous that's THEIR fault, not mine. I'm not out to make THEM happy, I'm out to defend my rights and have a means of defending myself.

 

[arthrimus]

I carry a gun.

I don't OC to 'flaunt my rights', I don't CC because I'm 'afraid to flaunt my rights'.

OC is always preferable, but there are times when I find CC to be more convenient.

I act accordingly because...

I like Buffalo Wild Wings.

FIFY.

This implies there are universal standards for when it is appropriate to OC and when it is appropriate to CC. Is that your argument?

Bingo! When I'm at work I CC, not because it is objectively inappropriate to OC at work, but because my boss asks that I do so as to not affect business. I CC at the movies because they have a no gun policy and I'd rather watch my movie and have a means to defend myself than to have to pick one of the two.

There is no scenario in which CC is objectively more appropriate than OC, but there are scenarios in which one is more convenient than the other, and that varies from person to person.

 

[Bung]

Yeah, take a page from black people and women that can vote now. Don't flaunt your rights because someone will take them away. Also, black people and women won their rights by sitting at home quietly and writing nicely worded letters to their government. The next time you see a black man with a white woman in public (or better yet, at a voting booth), be sure to inform them that if they don't hide what they are doing, they will get a governor voted in that will take their rights away.

 

[Hohn]

I will "rub their face in it" in their eyes anyway. There are some who cannot interpret OC as anything OTHER than a reason to call the cops.

The ONLY thing that will change this is if the cops come enough and get sick enough of it to where they actually start to ask follow up questions before responding to MWG call. Things like: What is he doing? Is he threatening anyone? Is the weapon drawn?

After enough angry callers get told that the person isn't breaking the law, and by the way, if you call us again for this we may have to question YOU, dear caller--- only THEN will this kind of nonsense continue.

There's no short term fix. Until the dispatcher decides that simply carrying a gun doesn't justify police response, it won't improve.

 

[cbhausen]

I must be OCing in the wrong places. Only one or two snarky comments and certainly no MWAG calls or LEO encounters yet. Now that it's warming up I'll be OCing almost exclusively. But I won't begrudge any CCer over their method of carry, just let me do my thing and you do yours.

 

[aaron580]

Yeah, take a page from black people and women that can vote now. Don't flaunt your rights because someone will take them away. Also, black people and women won their rights by sitting at home quietly and writing nicely worded letters to their government. The next time you see a black man with a white woman in public (or better yet, at a voting booth), be sure to inform them that if they don't hide what they are doing, they will get a governor voted in that will take their rights away.

Because writing letters to gain/protect a right we already have will do so much…

 

[ModernGunner]

...When I'm at work I CC, not because it is objectively inappropriate to OC at work, but because my boss asks that I do so as to not affect business.

So, would you say that you don't OC because you're afraid you'll offend someone? And apparently, your boss says "it is objectively inappropriate to OC at work"!

I guess that "as to not affect business", IS the defined "objectively inappropriate".

There is no scenario in which OC is objectively more appropriate than CC...

There, FIFY!

Hey, good attempt there, I understand the difficulty and angst it must've created. I'll just go ahead and change it back now to what we like to call "the right way"!

I carry a gun.

I don't OC to 'flaunt my rights', I don't CC because I'm 'afraid to flaunt my rights'.

There are times when OC is appropriate, and inappropriate. There are times when CC is appropriate, and inappropriate.

I am wise enough to know the difference. I have to be, because...

I carry a gun.

 

[slowG]

I wish I could be a 911 operator for a day...

 

[ArevaloSocom]

MK23 in thigh rig

 

[88GT]

Bingo! When I'm at work I CC, not because it is objectively inappropriate to OC at work, but because my boss asks that I do so as to not affect business. I CC at the movies because they have a no gun policy and I'd rather watch my movie and have a means to defend myself than to have to pick one of the two.

There is no scenario in which CC is objectively more appropriate than OC, but there are scenarios in which one is more convenient than the other, and that varies from person to person.

Well if it varies from person to person then it isn't really universal, is it?

 

[arthrimus]

Well if it varies from person to person then it isn't really universal, is it?

No, which is exactly what I said.

There is no scenario where CC is objectively more appropriate (fitting or proper in the circumstances) than OC, but there are scenarios in which one is more convenient (fitting in well with a person's needs, activities, and plans,) and that varies from person to person.

What is appropriate is objective, what is convenient is subjective.

 

[88GT]

No, which is exactly what I said.

There is no scenario where CC is objectively more appropriate (fitting or proper in the circumstances) than OC, but there are scenarios in which one is more convenient (fitting in well with a person's needs, activities, and plans,) and that varies from person to person.

What is appropriate is objective, what is convenient is subjective.

And yet when I asked if there was a universal standard for the appropriateness of CC/OC, did you not answer in the affirmative?

 

[Snapdragon]

Ok, just jumping in here because I find it hilarious that after 29489402 posts on this subject, it boils down to the best carry method being whatever is appropriate for the individual and/or situation? Scandalous.

 

[aaron580]

Best way to carry is a 1911 all tacticooled out in a drop leg while wearing combat pants and boots. End of story

 

[arthrimus]

And yet when I asked if there was a universal standard for the appropriateness of CC/OC, did you not answer in the affirmative?

I'm sorry, no I did not answer in the affirmative. However I see now how my response to your post could be taken the wrong way. I was agreeing with your line of thinking, not the actual question that you posed.

My argument is that, because the self defense is a right, and because both OC and CC (and whatever other kind of carry you prefer) are practical and viable methods carry, then they are all appropriate at all times.

The universal standard is that carry is always appropriate; The mode of carry need not ever enter into the argument. It is however undeniable that depending on individual circumstances one method may be more convenient/practical than the others. But that is completely subjective, and in no way to solidifies the argument one way or the other.

 

[88GT]

I'm sorry, no I did not answer in the affirmative. However I see now how my response to your post could be taken the wrong way. I was agreeing with your line of thinking, not the actual question that you posed.

My argument is that, because the self defense is a right, and because both OC and CC (and whatever other kind of carry you prefer) are practical and viable methods carry, then they are all appropriate at all times.

The universal standard is that carry is always appropriate; The mode of carry need not ever enter into the argument. It is however undeniable that depending on individual circumstances one method may be more convenient/practical than the others. But that is completely subjective, and in no way to solidifies the argument one way or the other.

Okay. I understand. I thought the "BINGO" was a "yes" to the actual question. It makes more sense now.