The OFFICIAL Trump/HRC/2016 General Election Thread...

[actaeon277]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...030f822fc35_story.html?utm_term=.bceeb382946e

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[h=1]Higher education is awash with hysteria. That might have helped elect Trump.[/h]

Boy. You should read all the comments by people that are upset with this hypothesis.

 

[ATM]

Have you heard about the 9-11 theories?

I haven't really exposed or destroyed any 'theories' or supporters other than the most popular



...so far.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Spotted on IN-60, east of Mitchell, basically across the road from Spring Mill Park.

Never too early to start campaigning for the next election...or something.

 

[Brad69]

You people from up north won't even let him get in office!
Should have had a dump Pence sign as well and ideas for the next president.

 

[Ericpwp]

Who ya calling "you people"?

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Four charged, nice. Was hoping to see this update for that incident.

Man viciously beaten in Chicago by group yelling 'don't vote Trump' - Story | WFLD

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Glenn Greenwald: Democrats just lost the White House, Senate and the House. You would think they would engage in introspection and self-critique. They are now blaming Vladimir Putin, Julian Assange, James Comey, Fake news websites, Bernie Sanders, Millenials, Facebook and Jill Stein

 

[bwframe]

[video=youtube;bNfTONoEfWI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNfTONoEfWI[/video]

 

[KG1]

Glenn Greenwald: Democrats just lost the White House, Senate and the House. You would think they would engage in introspection and self-critique. They are now blaming Vladimir Putin, Julian Assange, James Comey, Fake news websites, Bernie Sanders, Millenials, Facebook and Jill Stein

They just don't get it. That's perhaps the reason they got their collective rear ends kicked.

 

[aaron580]

[video=youtube;bNfTONoEfWI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNfTONoEfWI[/video]

WOW....imagine if that was a white Republican saying that to Biden or better yet.... Obama...

 

[miguel]

Two words for the "Hamilton" people. Aaron Burr.

 

[actaeon277]

Glenn Greenwald: Democrats just lost the White House, Senate and the House. You would think they would engage in introspection and self-critique. They are now blaming Vladimir Putin, Julian Assange, James Comey, Fake news websites, Bernie Sanders, Millenials, Facebook and Jill Stein

Self critique is not easy for many people.
Not just Democrats.

 

[actaeon277]

Would he give the same speech to Mrs. Clinton? I don't feel that she would protect my rights the same as she would others.

 

[Ericpwp]

What the thespian said.

I think Pence will do just that.

 

[printcraft]

I think Pence will do just that.

Hey thespians can get married now so I don't see the problem.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Good piece... maybe it could pave the way to post-identity Liberalism.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/opinion/sunday/the-end-of-identity-liberalism.html?smid=tw-share

 

[ArcadiaGP]

If you want a reminder of why the media isn't credible... here's a tweet from NBC News:

Reince Priebus on Muslim registry plan: 'I'm not going to rule out anything'

They leave out the thing he said immediately after that line: "We're not going to have a registry based on a religion."

 

[chipbennett]

Come on, Chip, the article lists the segments of the alt-right as the following:

The intellectuals- There are many things that separate the alternative right from old-school racist skinheads (to who they are often idiotically compared), but one thing stands out above all else: intelligence

Natural Conservatives- They are mostly White, mostly male Middle-American radicals, who are unapologetically embracing a new identity politics that prioritises the interests of their own demographic... a preference of homogeneity over diversity, for stability over change, and for hierarchy and order over radical egalitarianism... The natural conservative tendency within the alt-right points to these apotheoses of western European culture and declares them valuable, and worth protecting.

The Meme Team- ...there will always be a young rebellious contingent who feel a mischievous urge to blaspheme, break all the rules, and say the unsayable. Why? Because it's funny. ....racist, but very little sincerity behind them.

The 1488rs- anything associated as closely to racism and bigotry as the alternative right, will invariably attract real racists and bigots


Further:

The really interesting members of the alt-right, and most numerous, are the Natural Conservatives. They are perhaps the most psychologically inclined to be unsettled by threats to western culture from mass immigration and maybe by non-straight relationships.... They want to build homogenous communities, sure - but they don't want to commit pogroms along the way. Indeed they prefer non-violent solutions.

They want their own communities, populated by their own people, and governed by their own values.
An Establishment Conservative's Guide To The Alt-Right - Breitbart

So the Alternative Right, as describe by Breitbart, and who the guy who runs it say he's the "voice" of, consists of
-People whose main difference from skinheads, is that they are smarter.

Even having only skimmed the article, I recognized that this is absolutely not the point Milo was making here. You are completely bastardizing what he's saying. The premise of the article is questioning whether the accusation of being essentially the same as skinheads is accurate or not. Describing The Intellectuals is but the *first* difference Milo makes between the alt-right and skinheads. He is clearly not saying that the *only* difference between skinheads and The Intellectuals is intelligence. Let's read that in context:

Having once defended gamers, another group accused of harbouring the worst dregs of human society, we feel compelled to take a closer look at the force that’s alarming so many. Are they really just the second coming of 1980s skinheads, or something more subtle?


We’ve spent the past month tracking down the elusive, often anonymous members of the alt-right, and working out exactly what they stand for.

THE INTELLECTUALS

There are many things that separate the alternative right from old-school racist skinheads (to whom they are often idiotically compared), but one thing stands out above all else: intelligence. Skinheads, by and large, are low-information, low-IQ thugs driven by the thrill of violence and tribal hatred. The alternative right are a much smarter group of people — which perhaps suggests why the Left hates them so much. They’re dangerously bright.


The origins of the alternative right can be found in thinkers as diverse as Oswald Spengler, H.L Mencken, Julius Evola, Sam Francis, and the paleoconservative movement that rallied around the presidential campaigns of Pat Buchanan. The French New Right also serve as a source of inspiration for many leaders of the alt-right.

That paints an entirely different portrait from the one you claimed.

-People who play identity politics and value homogenous communities and social hierarchy
-Young people that aren't racist, but put out racist memes
-And actual believers of the mantra "we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children"?

I guess it was just accidental oversight that you failed to point out that this latter group is ostracized and marginalized by the alt-right?

Anything associated as closely with racism and bigotry as the alternative right will inevitably attract real racists and bigots. Calmer members of the alternative right refer darkly to these people as the “1488ers,” and for all their talk of there being “no enemies to the right,” it’s clear from the many conversations we’ve had with alt-righters that many would rather the 1488ers didn’t exist.


These are the people that the alt-right’s opponents wish constituted the entire movement. They’re less concerned with the welfare of their own tribe than their fantasies of destroying others. 1488ers would likely denounce this article as the product of a degenerate homosexual and an ethnic mongrel.

Mile makes the point well:

Not very edifying stuff. But if you want to use the 1488ers to tarnish the entire alt-right, you need to do the same with Islamist killers and Islam and third-wave feminist wackos with the entire history and purpose of feminism. Which you might well be fine with — but let’s be consistent.

And again:

Based on our research we believe this stands in stark contrast with the rest of the alt-right, who focus more on building communities and lifestyles based around their values than plotting violent revolution.


1488ers are the equivalent of the Black Lives Matter supporters who call for the deaths of policemen, or feminists who unironically want to #KillAllMen. Of course, the difference is that while the media pretend the latter are either non-existent, or a tiny extremist minority, they consider 1488ers to constitute the whole of the alt-right.
Those looking for Nazis under the bed can rest assured that they do exist. On the other hand, there’s just not very many of them, no-one really likes them, and they’re unlikely to achieve anything significant in the alt-right.


What little remains of old-school white supremacy and the KKK in America constitutes a tiny, irrelevant contingent with no purchase on public life and no support even from what the media would call the “far-Right.” (Admittedly, these days that includes anyone who votes Republican.)

And somehow, when I say the thought of a guy that caters to this group, being involved in the WH, is concerning to people of color, I'm off base somehow? People that hold these types of believe shouldn't even raise and eyebrow, 'eh? Chip, I can only hope that you skimmed the article, if you see no cause for concern.

I can only conclude that you merely skimmed the article, and took away from it only what supported your preconceived ideas about the alt-right, since the article itself directly refutes that which you claim it supports with respect to the ideological makeup of the alt-right.

I would encourage you to re-read this:

Meanwhile, the alt-right openly crack jokes about the Holocaust, loudly — albeit almost entirely satirically — expresses its horror at “race-mixing,” and denounces the “degeneracy” of homosexuals… while inviting Jewish gays and mixed-race Breitbart reporters to their secret dinner parties. What gives?


If you’re this far down the article, you’ll know some of the answers already. For the meme brigade, it’s just about having fun. They have no real problem with race-mixing, homosexuality, or even diverse societies: it’s just fun to watch the mayhem and outrage that erupts when those secular shibboleths are openly mocked. These younger mischief-makers instinctively understand who the authoritarians are and why and how to poke fun at them.


The intellectuals are animated by a similar thrill: after being taken for granted for centuries, they’re the ones who get to pick apart some of the Enlightenment’s dead dogmas. The 1488ers just hate everyone; fortunately they keep mostly to themselves.


The really interesting members of the alt-right though, and the most numerous, are the natural conservatives. They are perhaps psychologically inclined to be unsettled by threats to western culture from mass immigration and maybe by non-straight relationships. Yet, unlike the 1488ers, the presence of such doesn’t send them into fits of rage. They want to build their homogeneous communities, sure — but they don’t want to commit any pogroms along the way. Indeed, they would prefer non-violent solutions.

In conclusion:

The bulk of their demands, after all, are not so audacious: they want their own communities, populated by their own people, and governed by their own values.


In short, they want what every people fighting for self-determination in history have ever wanted, and what progressives are always telling us people should be allowed — unless those people are white. This hypocrisy is what has led so many Trump voters — groups who have in many cases not voted since the 1970s or 80s — to come out of the woodwork and stand up for their values and culture.

Now, having read the article in more depth, I realize that my original assessment is confirmed. There is nothing of concern.

 

[Bennettjh]

Glenn Greenwald: Democrats just lost the White House, Senate and the House. You would think they would engage in introspection and self-critique. They are now blaming Vladimir Putin, Julian Assange, James Comey, Fake news websites, Bernie Sanders, Millenials, Facebook and Jill Stein

I can't help but chuckle and think back when I hear or see "Millennials".

 

[Joe G]

Four charged, nice. Was hoping to see this update for that incident.

Man viciously beaten in Chicago by group yelling 'don't vote Trump' - Story | WFLD

Here's the update with the charges... Four charged in carjacking of man taunted with 'Don't vote Trump!' - Story | WFLD