Russia vs. Ukraine Part 2

[smokingman]

Putin Orders First-Ever Nationwide Nuclear Drill, Prepares Bomb-Test At Arctic Circle | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Just an FYI Finland just did one as well(nuclear drill),they however are not setting off nukes in the arctic.

 

[cobber]

A Ukrainian sniper called the Ghost of Bakhmut says he's personally killed 113 Russians. He explains how his elite unit hunts the enemy.

The commander of an elite Ukrainian unit that has amassed 558 kills says psychological resilience and patriotism are key to being a good sniper.

www.businessinsider.com

So, this is supposedly 'The Ghost of Bakhmut', sniper with 113 claimed kills

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Does anyone else find his choice of kit a bit ... odd? Another 'Ghost of Kiev'?

What are his pronouns?

 

[oze]

Putin Orders First-Ever Nationwide Nuclear Drill, Prepares Bomb-Test At Arctic Circle | ZeroHedge

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www.zerohedge.com

Just an FYI Finland just did one as well(nuclear drill),they however are not setting off nukes in the arctic.

Duck and cover, kids.

 

[smokingman]

Leaked U.S. strategy on Ukraine sees corruption as the real threat

A report obtained by POLITICO details specific plans to reform Ukrainian institutions and warns Western support may hinge on cutting corruption.

www.politico.com

 

[DadSmith]

 

[DadSmith]

The Telegraph: UK hits limit on arms aid to Ukraine - Euromaidan Press

“Britain has run out of defense equipment to donate to Ukraine, and other countries should step in and shoulder more of the burden,” the unnamed official told the Telegraph.

euromaidanpress.com

 

[DadSmith]

The Pentagon warns Congress it is running low on money to replace weapons sent to Ukraine

The Pentagon is warning Congress that it is running low on funding to replace weapons the U.S. has sent to Ukraine and has already been forced to slow down resupplying some troops.

apnews.com

 

[smokingman]

The Telegraph: UK hits limit on arms aid to Ukraine - Euromaidan Press

“Britain has run out of defense equipment to donate to Ukraine, and other countries should step in and shoulder more of the burden,” the unnamed official told the Telegraph.

euromaidanpress.com

Poland and Britain to the USA.

Zelenski to USA

Americans either

or

or

Sane American's.

Zelenski 5 minutes later....

 

[DadSmith]

Poland and Britain to the USA.

We are running low also.

I'm starting to wonder if this war is a setup to drain NATO of its reserves. Thus weakening NATO including the US.

Russia might be playing the very long game.

 

[Route 45]

Russia might be playing the very long game.

Long game, indeed...

 

[Leadeye]

One of the dynamics of modern conventional war is the high lethality and high hit probability of modern weapons. Just these two factors make wars strain logistical support like never before. You need a higher state of readiness to run an offensive than to defend so like Iran/Iraq it's a continuous see/saw as one side runs out of supplies and the offensive stops. The other side gears up and attacks until it's supplies fade out. This war will go on for a long time yet and there isn't going to be much left when leadership on both sides finally exhausts it's respective country.

Dealing with a nuclear armed opponent really tests the strategic dimension. What happens when the Russian economy finally runs out of gas. Staring defeat in the face I've wondered how they will react, hopefully like they did when the USSR collapsed years ago.

I heard the stories of the Nazi stores of Tabun during WW2 and the question of why Hitler never used them. I can only hope that there will be some consideration before somebody in Russia pushes the button.

 

[Hawkeye]

Long game, indeed...

This can't be possible. Many on here have decreed that Russia is only waging a defensive action. And that Russia has no designs on anything other than restoring the made-up nation of Ukraine to the motherland. Really that's all. Poland and finland have nothing to fear except NATO.

 

[smokingman]

Dealing with a nuclear armed opponent really tests the strategic dimension. What happens when the Russian economy finally runs out of gas.

Russia vs. Ukraine Part 2

https://www.businessinsider.com/the-ghosts-bakhmut-elite-sniper-unit-killed-558-russians-2023-9 So, this is supposedly 'The Ghost of Bakhmut', sniper with 113 claimed kills Does anyone else find his choice of kit a bit ... odd? Another 'Ghost of Kiev'?

www.indianagunowners.com

 

[Brad69]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/04/europe/uk-nato-ukraine-war-ammunition-intl-hnk-ml/index.html

Nothing left? Move along!

 

[smokingman]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/04/europe/uk-nato-ukraine-war-ammunition-intl-hnk-ml/index.html

Nothing left? Move along!

Defense Stocks Fall As Paralyzed House With No Speaker Puts US Ukraine Aid At Risk | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[smokingman]

"Some 52% of Democrats backed arming Ukraine in the most recent poll, down from 61% in May. Among Republicans, support for sending weapons to Kyiv fell to 35% from 39% in May."

US public support declines for arming Ukraine -Reuters/Ipsos By Reuters

US public support declines for arming Ukraine -Reuters/Ipsos

www.investing.com

Different poll,that just ended.

The two-day poll, which closed on Wednesday, showed only 41% of respondents agreed with a statement that Washington "should provide weapons to Ukraine," compared to 35% who disagreed and the rest unsure.

 

[smokingman]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/04/europe/uk-nato-ukraine-war-ammunition-intl-hnk-ml/index.html

Nothing left? Move along!

Not us though. We have no shortage,just moving in a different direction.

Major Arms Sales | Defense Security Cooperation Agency

www.dsca.mil

Soon it will all be "China,ChiNA,CHINA!!"...
In the last week....

The Dysfunctional Superpower

Can a divided America deter China and Russia?

www.foreignaffairs.com

Home | Homeland Security

www.dhs.gov

The U.S. Isn’t Ready for AI-Fueled Disinformation—But China Is

Thanks to generative AI, the impact of China’s social media manipulation will be both greater in volume and more convincing.

time.com

DoD labels China, Russia as greatest international threats in 2023 Strategy for Countering Weapons of Mass Destruction - Homeland Preparedness News

The U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) released an unclassified version of its 2023 Strategy for Countering Weapons of Mass Destruction (CWMD) last week, laying out the foundations of its approach going forward, with a likely heavy approach on China and … Read More »

homelandprepnews.com

The Contentious U.S.-China Trade Relationship

Trade between the world’s two biggest economies has ballooned in recent decades, bringing significant benefits but also perils that have led to calls to rethink the relationship.

www.cfr.org

Dear media: The Chinese Communist Party really is a threat to the US

At the last Republican presidential debate, most candidates took a hard line against the Chinese Communist Party. The growing consensus among GOP contenders reflects a similar consensus on Capitol Hill among Republicans and Democrats when it comes to the China threat. Even left-wing Sen. John…

www.washingtonexaminer.com

That is just a 2 minutes search. All within the last 7 days.

 

[smokingman]

Head of NATO.

We have to remember that in December 2021, so a couple of months before the invasion, President Putin put forward what he called 'security treaties'. He wanted the United States and NATO to sign documents that were sent to Brussels and to Washington. There were several demands. They demanded that we should remove all NATO infrastructure from the eastern part of the Alliance. They demanded some buffer zones, especially in the Baltic region, meaning that most of the Baltic countries could not be protected with NATO forces. And they demanded as a kind of ultimatum for not invading Ukraine, that NATO should guarantee no further enlargement. That was about no further enlargement with Ukraine, but also Finland and Sweden. It was not possible, so we actually were able… Actually we invited Russia to a dialogue, we said it's not possible for us to accept those ultimatums. But we made a real diplomatic effort to see if it was possible to sit down and find a diplomatic solution to the crisis that was scaling up in the fall of 2021.
But the declared purpose of the invasion of Ukraine was to stop further NATO enlargement and to have less NATO, with its buffer zones, and the movement of NATO infrastructure from all those countries that joined NATO since 1997. So one of the main purposes was then to have less NATO: less NATO members and less NATO presence in the eastern part of the Alliance. And the war didn't start in February last year, it started in 2014.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_218588.htm

Global media.

"Never About NATO, Nothing To Do With NATO" | ZeroHedge

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Poland moves to cut financial aid to Ukrainian refugees, a move backed by 60% of Poles

Poland will begin to scale back financial assistance for Ukrainian refugees in 2024, according to Polish government spokesperson, Piotr Müller. Müller emphasized in an interview with the Polish Press Agency (PAP) that the decisions made to grant financial assistance after the war’s outbreak were...

rmx.news

 

[AndreusMaximus]

Head of NATO.

We have to remember that in December 2021, so a couple of months before the invasion, President Putin put forward what he called 'security treaties'. He wanted the United States and NATO to sign documents that were sent to Brussels and to Washington. There were several demands. They demanded that we should remove all NATO infrastructure from the eastern part of the Alliance. They demanded some buffer zones, especially in the Baltic region, meaning that most of the Baltic countries could not be protected with NATO forces. And they demanded as a kind of ultimatum for not invading Ukraine, that NATO should guarantee no further enlargement. That was about no further enlargement with Ukraine, but also Finland and Sweden. It was not possible, so we actually were able… Actually we invited Russia to a dialogue, we said it's not possible for us to accept those ultimatums. But we made a real diplomatic effort to see if it was possible to sit down and find a diplomatic solution to the crisis that was scaling up in the fall of 2021.
But the declared purpose of the invasion of Ukraine was to stop further NATO enlargement and to have less NATO, with its buffer zones, and the movement of NATO infrastructure from all those countries that joined NATO since 1997. So one of the main purposes was then to have less NATO: less NATO members and less NATO presence in the eastern part of the Alliance. And the war didn't start in February last year, it started in 2014.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_218588.htm

Global media.

"Never About NATO, Nothing To Do With NATO" | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Poland moves to cut financial aid to Ukrainian refugees, a move backed by 60% of Poles

Poland will begin to scale back financial assistance for Ukrainian refugees in 2024, according to Polish government spokesperson, Piotr Müller. Müller emphasized in an interview with the Polish Press Agency (PAP) that the decisions made to grant financial assistance after the war’s outbreak were...

rmx.news

"Unprovoked" means there was no military action taken against Russia to provoke them into attacking Ukraine.

If refusing to acquiesce to another country's demands constitutes "provoking" them to war, then there has never been an unprovoked war in history.

 

[smokingman]

"Unprovoked" means there was no military action taken against Russia to provoke them into attacking Ukraine.

If refusing to acquiesce to another country's demands constitutes "provoking" them to war, then there has never been an unprovoked war in history.

"And the war didn't start in February last year, it started in 2014."
Maiden started the war, back then it was a proxy war(Russia was fighting a proxy war after the revolution,no one really questions that. The USA was as well overthrowing an elected government.).

The treaties Putin sent asked three things. No expansion of NATO. Removal of missile systems(the NATO infrastructure he mentions). The third was second class NATO declared for nations in the baltic,which he outlined as not being allowed to house nuclear capabilities.

Russia’s draft agreements with NATO and the United States: Intended for rejection?

Steven Pifer examines Russia's proposed draft agreements with NATO and the United States on security in Europe, and whether they could be an opening bid in serious negotiations or are intended to be rejected and used as a pretext for military action against Ukraine.

www.brookings.edu

Kind of what we demanded of oh...Cuba and had the Vietnam war and Korean war over.

Actual proposed treaty(link found on brookings.edu)

Agreement on measures to ensure the security of The Russian Federation and member States of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization

mid.ru

Honestly at this point does why it started even matter? I mean we have caused ourselves and our allies quite a bit of damage. How do we mitigate that damage,can we?
Can this end in anything other than WW3? At this point it does seem to be winding down,with focus being moved to China and the support of our allies ending(Poland,England,and others).

Did we gain anything from this entire mess as a country?