That was a great, excellent, fantastic video. Thanks for sharing!
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I guess I'm confused about what you were saying in your original post, then as it appears you are saying that hiding guns is why we are losing our rights. I again ask what rights we've lost in Indiana or at a federal level due to hiding our firearms. Indiana got the LTCH in what...1983 or so? Was lack of open carry really what caused the GCA of 1986?
If it has nothing to do with CC vs OC why its relevant to this thread?
Open carry is a huge headache IMO, and I'm far too worried about people noticing me for me to notice people. It's not a complacency thing, I just have a much harder problem watching people when I am worried about being watched myself.
Did that make sense? I still support open carry, even if I don't do it myself any longer.
NO...because all OCers are the devil....I oc and cc depending on what I am doing and wearing, and in the mean time I never look for a confrontation and I avoid them at all costs. I am a very calm person who believes in JFC......can the OC and CC sides of the debate find common ground to agree upon already?
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Meanwhile, ATM, your faux intellectualism doesn't hide the fact that you ignored my hypothesis about the importance of OCers policing their own. Regardless of your speculation about what others would do, you should take the high ground and insist on responsibility in your own ranks.
-RJP
I'm sure I have a lot more training, study, professional development, continuing education and experience in my profession than a first year teacher or doctor who has earned their "license".... And more than most who practice either profession for a full career. It is "disingenuous and condescending" to ignore that fact.
This is pertinent why? While I wouldn't second guess you and the other so called "professionals" guns and defensive skills, I can certainly question your comprehension/education/background of studies in psychology, sociology, public relations, leadership, etc. and their application, or lack thereof, to your position, profession, and activities.I publicly and privately condemned/chastised the behavior you referenced as did every other professional in the industry that I am aware of.
Well, that depends on your definition of "publically." They typically get a good bashing on sites such as this by the responsible OCers just as people like Yeager, but those responsible ones don't go tracking the idiots down to bash them. Why?More importantly, Yeager apologized for the outburst, lawyered up and retracted his statement.... How many confrontational OCers have been publicly criticized by responsible OCers and publicly apologized for their assclownery??
Again, you're promoting division within our ranks. Why is it only OCers' responsibility to hold the idiots you speak of accountable? Are you not a gun owner? Do those idiots' actions not affect us all?Maybe that is the crux of this issue..... If the OC Community did a better job of policing their own and being critical of the Confrontational OCers, maybe there wouldn't be an "us v them" mentality amongst us...
It will be, as soon as the so called "professionals" quit promoting these division lines and simply advocate for the FREEDOM of choice. A true professional would prefer to take advantage of the "confrontational OC" situation by putting out public education on HOW TO appropriatley OC, rather than simply bashing everyone for their choice. You know, make use of their fame and status to help the rest of the community and putting out an appropriate education to do so.It would simply be Responsible Firearms Owners v Others.
-RJP
You are choosing to ignore it or are special either way. My point has nothing to be about CC vs OC it has to do about that the media has vilified gun owners to the point where people panic over the sight of firearms where before they were openly displayed (once again not talking about CC).
Perfect example was when CPS tried to take a kid for having a picture of him holding a 22.
The media portrays us as fringe militant groups, duck dynasty wannabes, and flat out crazies and that is what the uninformed public thinks we are. We need to desensitize the American public into realizing gun owners are all around them normal law abiding citizens.
1994 AWB 1986 machine gun registry at the Federal level. Not counting current attempts UN gun ban/AWB and schemes like fast and furious. You can also choose to ignore what goes on around you in IL CO NY CA and a dozen other states as it doesn't affect you...... yet. You need to realize things need to change and not in Obama's way.
Thanks!
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Meanwhile, ATM, your faux intellectualism doesn't hide the fact that you ignored my hypothesis about the importance of OCers policing their own. Regardless of your speculation about what others would do, you should take the high ground and insist on responsibility in your own ranks.
-RJP
This is possibly the most arrogant attitude I have seen on display in a long time. Teacher , maybe. Doctor no. Your attitude from just this statement convinces me everything you say needs to be doubted from the outset.I'm sure I have a lot more training, study, professional development, continuing education and experience in my profession than a first year teacher or doctor who has earned their "license".... And more than most who practice either profession for a full career. It is "disingenuous and condescending" to ignore that fact.
-RJP
my question, Why is everyone dog piling Mr. Pincus? So what if he is confident in his abilities, and has his own view on the OC/CC debate, we all have different opinions and we all for the most part get along just fine. Plus this is America isn't it? And I always thought INGO was about hearing different opinions than your own and learning from them.
Your attitude from just this statement convinces me everything you say needs to be doubted from the outset.
Exactly what I was doing.Why not just evaluate every statement of opinion through your own feelings and experience, like normal?
Exactly what I was doing.
I thought we were on the same team and thus, of one rank. I guess not.
Doubted does not mean wrong. His attitude conveyed to me an underlying condescension towards those that oc, oc'rs are wrong and he is right. I don't bear Mr. Pincus any ill will some things I've heard from him I agree with. Just not with oc/cc, appropriate oc or lumping oc'rs into a broad category near marginal reprobates. I kind of have to side with ATM on this one.So 'wrong until proven right'? Everything he's ever contributed (or will contribute) is garbage because you don't agree with him on open carry?
my question, Why is everyone dog piling Mr. Pincus? So what if he is confident in his abilities, and has his own view on the OC/CC debate, we all have different opinions and we all for the most part get along just fine. Plus this is America isn't it? And I always thought INGO was about hearing different opinions than your own and learning from them.
Being a "professional" his opinion can have some serious affects. Read through my last post which alludes to some of the principals of this and my reasoning for disagreeing with his expressed opinions.I agree, he gave both sides of a view and gave his opinion. Why attack him on his opinion alone.