right or wrong

[hornadylnl]

Sam, great post. I also agree that what happens to it after it leaves my hands is no longer my business. Again, I'm not trying to make a killing, just looking for a fair market value trade. If my brother or one of my good friends needed this ammo, I'd probably give it to them for nothing or next to it as that's what I have in it.

The flip side of selling if for $35 is this. Let's assume I buy this ammo at $35 today and the market finally stabilizes and supply outpaces demand 3 months from now. Let's also assume that Walmart now stocks the same ammo for $25 a box (we can all dream, can't we). Then I come across hard times and need money so I have to sell that ammo to pay the bills, put food on the table, etc. Is anyone here willing to pay more than Walmart's price of $25 to help offset my loss on this? I seriously doubt many of you here would.

 

[samrothstein01]

Okay, so you want your cake and eat it too?? (Complete joke....LMAO).

In all seriousness, I don't think you give us (INGO) enough credit. I agree that there are plenty of people who would turn their heads and pretend not to notice....however...if you posted a "I need help, buy this $25 box of ammo for $35" I think you would have plenty of people say...."Sure, I could use some ammo, and what's 10 bucks." Perhaps I am wrong.

Now, for the less fu-fu and more harsh reality of the world we live in.....you play the same "game" with your job, house, retirement, bank account, etc.....markets fluctuate, you win some you lose some. Buy low, sell high (higher than you paid but not greedy)....or in the case of firearms and ammo, buy low and hold onto forever. A profit is positive no matter the size, as long as its not a loss.

At some point, very early in the process, you have to decide what you are willing to live with from a pricing standpoint....and don't look back.

 

[hornadylnl]

I guess the point of my selling at a loss scenario is to point out that there are those on here who expect people to sell at a chartiy price but don't want to pay a charity price. I know that if I pay too much for something, that is my problem and I don't expect anyone to eat my loss.

I hope some others will chime in and see whether they think my points A,B, or C are the right thing to do here on INGO. I like this site and there are some great people on here and I've done some buying, selling, trading on here and have had nothing but great experiences doing so. I hope to keep it that way. The biggest factor in that is me doing my homework and knowing what I'm buying and what I'm willing to pay for it.

 

[ATM]

What good is cake if you can't eat it?


ETA: Seriously, if you are sitting on some cake you aren't going to eat and cake is scarce, options A and B come to mind.

I would only do option B on a different sight where it is impersonal and common if I really needed maximum profit.
I would do option A for a friend or contributing INGO member that is known.
To offer it up for anyone here, I would probably go a little higher than A but not all the way up to B price. I could always revert back to option A depending on who replied.

Just my.

 

[samrothstein01]

What good is cake if you can't eat it?

I suppose it does no good at all....I stand corrected!

And horadylnl....you are absolutely spot on...by deciding what you are willing to pay for something.....on the flip side....when selling one needs to decide what they are willing to part with it for, and that should help decide whether it goes on INGO or an alternative site like gunbroker.

 

[Todd Levesque]

buying ammo right now when you find it just to sell it on here for more that what you paid.

I love free market capitalism. What's wrong with providing a product someone is willing to buy, that you obviously found before the did. Otherwise there would be no supply and demand. This is exactly what this new regime is attempting to destroy, and put communism/socialism in it's place.

 

[ATM]

I just personally won't deal with friends (or even associates) the same way I deal with strangers, financially speaking.

 

[Bigum1969]

INGO is a community. As such, we should have each other's backs and look out for each other.

 

[mikea46996]

INGO is a community. As such, we should have each other's backs and look out for each other.

Thank you sir!!!!!!!!!

It seems from reading this thread that alot of the noob members use the it is just capitalism remark.

No it's not!! One day I may need some or all of the people I deal with and talk with on this board, I prefer friends to customers..

 

[samrothstein01]

I love free market capitalism. What's wrong with providing a product someone is willing to buy, that you obviously found before the did. Otherwise there would be no supply and demand. This is exactly what this new regime is attempting to destroy, and put communism/socialism in it's place.

Just to re-iterate in case it was missed:

"Free markets" and "capitalism" terms are used lightly around here and the focus really should be on the positives of this community rather than on economic practices, albeit that classifieds is definately a contributor to the positives of the community.

This community was created (as I understand it) first and foremost for collaboration, learning, sharing, and comradarie.

As I have said this before....Classifieds are a privilege, a bonus of sorts. One that I also enjoy very much in addition to the much more valuable content and knowledge of the patrons of this sight.

All in all, it should be pretty simple. Be fair, be reasonable, and be responsible!

This board is first and foremost a forum for collaboration and knowledge sharing, and secondly (as a bonus) for sharing classifieds so that people can swap and exchange ($ included) things that they cannot use or do not want for things they need. Sometimes thats cash, sometimes its ammo, and sometimes its something completely random. Either way, profiteering should be left to other boards and communities. When you step in the INGO door, take off your shoes, relax, and be fair and responsible. What happens outside of INGO and on the other sites is your business.

 

[4sarge]

Just to re-iterate in case it was missed:
Quote:
Originally Posted by samrothstein01
"Free markets" and "capitalism" terms are used lightly around here and the focus really should be on the positives of this community rather than on economic practices, albeit that classifieds is definately a contributor to the positives of the community.

This community was created (as I understand it) first and foremost for collaboration, learning, sharing, and comradarie.

As I have said this before....Classifieds are a privilege, a bonus of sorts. One that I also enjoy very much in addition to the much more valuable content and knowledge of the patrons of this sight.

All in all, it should be pretty simple. Be fair, be reasonable, and be responsible!

Quote:
Originally Posted by samrothstein01
This board is first and foremost a forum for collaboration and knowledge sharing, and secondly (as a bonus) for sharing classifieds so that people can swap and exchange ($ included) things that they cannot use or do not want for things they need. Sometimes thats cash, sometimes its ammo, and sometimes its something completely random. Either way, profiteering should be left to other boards and communities. When you step in the INGO door, take off your shoes, relax, and be fair and responsible. What happens outside of INGO and on the other sites is your business.

Great Post and several others from True INGO brothers

 

[SavageEagle]

I'm just glad some most of us around here see this as a family more than a place to make some money. If you want your free market or capitalism list on Craigslist or Gun Broker. Just know we won't buy it off you. MOST of us on here know what a fair price is for whatever. For those who don't know and get taken advatage of, thats not capitialism. I'm sure that's what all these financial institutions thought before the bubble burst.

If my prices have ever been unfair, its because I didn't do my research and got corrected by the people here not buying. It happens.

I just hope everyone on here can have more respect for each other than $30/ 100rnds of 9mm!

 

[RickBinFW]

I only buy ammo for myself and family.

 

[Crystalship1]

I'm just glad some most of us around here see this as a family more than a place to make some money. If you want your free market or capitalism list on Craigslist or Gun Broker. Just know we won't buy it off you. MOST of us on here know what a fair price is for whatever. For those who don't know and get taken advatage of, thats not capitialism. I'm sure that's what all these financial institutions thought before the bubble burst.

If my prices have ever been unfair, its because I didn't do my research and got corrected by the people here not buying. It happens.

I just hope everyone on here can have more respect for each other than $30/ 100rnds of 9mm!

Absolutely!!! I'm also glad to see that less than 10% (as of right now) is all that doesn't get it!!!

 

[hornadylnl]

I'll probably **** some people off with this post but here it goes anyway. Yes, I've got a lot of respect for a lot of posters on here and there truly are a lot of great people on here. I get the family aspect to a point but every single one of us has at least 1 true blooded family member they don't trust, be it an aunt, uncle, cousin or whoever. I don't think you will find a more secretive and private minded group of individuals than us gun owners are. With the exception of 2 or 3 people, I don't know any of you any more than the guy who lives 10 miles down the road.

This doesn't bother some people on here and more power to them. We've got a guy who has an open invite to come to his house and learn reloading. I think it's great that he's willing to do that. I reload and like to help others learn about it but I'm not having you guys over to my house. I'm a little less guarded on other non gun related forums but who knows how many people get on here that aren't even members. I'm not going to give out my grid coordinates and a road map for low lifes to get to my house. I'm sure if someone really made the effort to get on the internet and spend enough time, they could probably dig up enough info on me to find me but I'm not going to give them a road map.

I've done several ftf transactions and only 1 has been at another individuals house and I really preferred not to do it that way. I don't want to know where you live. Supposes I go to your house and buy a gun off of you. A week later, your house is broken into and all your guns are stolen. Immediately, I'm on your short list of suspects. That's why I like doing my business in public places.

There is a group of people on here who still seam to think that today's fair market price for something should be the same as it was 2 or 3 years ago and that isn't right. This box of 380 ammo is $33.49 in a store that doesn't have it and there is nowhere you can buy it unless you go to places like gunbroker. It sells there for $40-70 a box without shipping costs. I could take it to Gunbroker and sell it for $50 or more. Some here would believe that if I tried selling that box on here for $45, I'm a total rip off artist, yadda, yadda, yadda. $45 is better than you can buy anywhere else. $35 is not a fair market price for today's market.

Trust me, I hate these high prices as much as the next guy. 223 brass is 2.5 times higher now than what is was just 2 years ago. It used to be $40 a k. Now, it's $100 per k if you can find it. If someone lists it on here for $100, I don't get pissy with them and expect them to give it to me for less because it was only $40 2 years ago. $100 is today's fair market price.

I know I'm not the only one on here who values my privacy. If this post angers anyone, sorry but it's just the way I do things.

 

[cordex]

I think what has bothered me most on this thread is the entitlement attitude. It is one thing to give someone a good deal because they mean something to you. It is another to demand someone else give you what you consider to be a good deal because you feel they owe you.

One attitude is laudable, the other not too endearing.

 

[hornadylnl]

I don't see anyone expecting these good deals offering up any of their ammo in the classifieds for October, 2008 prices either.

 

[SavageEagle]

I think what has bothered me most on this thread is the entitlement attitude. It is one thing to give someone a good deal because they mean something to you. It is another to demand someone else give you what you consider to be a good deal because you feel they owe you.

One attitude is laudable, the other not too endearing.

It's not about entitlement. It's the fact that MOST of us consider each other brothers and sisters. Family. Family helps each other out. Of course you have the "Funny Uncle" and the "a$$hole Brother", but that's with anyone. We're not demanding great deals. We demand that those who want outrageous pricing go elsewhere.
Family doesn't rip off or take advantage of family. Period.

 

[Crystalship1]

It's not about entitlement. It's the fact that MOST of us consider each other brothers and sisters. Family. Family helps each other out. Of course you have the "Funny Uncle" and the "a$ Brother", but that's with anyone. We're not demanding great deals. We demand that those who want outrageous pricing go elsewhere.
Family doesn't rip off or take advantage of family. Period.

This ongoing debate puts me in mind of this Family Guy clip:
YouTube - Family Guy - Donkey !

 

[Todd Levesque]

I love free market capitalism. What's wrong with providing a product someone is willing to buy, that you obviously found before the did. Otherwise there would be no supply and demand. This is exactly what this new regime is attempting to destroy, and put communism/socialism in it's place.

I went back thru this thread, and I see I did miss a very valid point to what was being said among the members. My capitalism remark was a general comment, not a slam, nor was I agreeing to ripping off members. The whole family thing, well I kind of missed that. I guess I am too new to INGO, and am frankly not used to such attitudes. I like the fact you guys look out for one another. It's rare and commendable. I hope I did not make anyone think I am a scammer or anything. I was wrong and I can admit it. Live and learn?