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  • Alamo

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    The articles Kirk links to are interesting, but they (especially the NPR one) don't get into WHY the Nazis were popular in America. There was certainly pull based on heritage, but one also has to recognize that there was a lot of overlap between the political thoughts and programs of the American left/progressives and the National Socialists of Germany. Using the government to control business and the economy, central decision making, subsuming the individual to the party and state, and using eugenics to eliminate lesser races, mongrel whites, and the feebleminded were popular with both German Nazis and American progressives. Planned Parenthood would like you to not remember Margaret Sanger was a forceful advocate for eugenics in the US, especially with regards to the black population. Today's progressives, to the extent that they pay any attention to history, would also like you not to remember that President Wilson, the great socialist, also kicked blacks out of Federal civil service and used the law to suppress free speech. Although now they're probably less embarrassed than inspired by that last part.

    It wasn't until Hitler broke his non-aggression pact with Stalin that Nazis became the bad guys to the American left. Suddenly they transformed from fellow socialists to "right wing reactionaries", a convenient little fiction that has been maintained until this day. When you're standing far enough to the left, everything else is "right wing."
     

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    The articles Kirk links to are interesting, but they (especially the NPR one) don't get into WHY the Nazis were popular in America. There was certainly pull based on heritage, but one also has to recognize that there was a lot of overlap between the political thoughts and programs of the American left/progressives and the National Socialists of Germany. Using the government to control business and the economy, central decision making, subsuming the individual to the party and state, and using eugenics to eliminate lesser races, mongrel whites, and the feebleminded were popular with both German Nazis and American progressives. Planned Parenthood would like you to not remember Margaret Sanger was a forceful advocate for eugenics in the US, especially with regards to the black population. Today's progressives, to the extent that they pay any attention to history, would also like you not to remember that President Wilson, the great socialist, also kicked blacks out of Federal civil service and used the law to suppress free speech. Although now they're probably less embarrassed than inspired by that last part.

    It wasn't until Hitler broke his non-aggression pact with Stalin that Nazis became the bad guys to the American left. Suddenly they transformed from fellow socialists to "right wing reactionaries", a convenient little fiction that has been maintained until this day. When you're standing far enough to the left, everything else is "right wing."

    The Nazis had a lot of appeal for the so-called "Right wing" as well. They hated communists, promoted nationalism, built up a strong military, loved conscription, controlled unusual social behaviors, etc. It was a manly culture, with no time for political correctness. The Nazis controlled immigration and emigration, and did not make people press "1" for German.

    But then there is an equal case that the Nazis fit all the stereotypical "left wing" values as well. The point is: "left" and "right" are useless and confusing terms.
     
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    Many of the Nazis' ideas were popular pre-war, particularly eugenics.

    MichaelCrichton.com | This Essay Breaks the Law

    Its supporters included Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, and Winston Churchill. It was approved by Supreme Court justices Oliver Wendell Holmes and Louis Brandeis, who ruled in its favor. The famous names who supported it included Alexander Graham Bell, inventor of the telephone; activist Margaret Sanger; botanist Luther Burbank; Leland Stanford, founder of Stanford University; the novelist H. G. Wells; the playwright George Bernard Shaw; and hundreds of others. Nobel Prize winners gave support. Research was backed by the Carnegie and Rockefeller Foundations. The Cold Springs Harbor Institute was built to carry out this research, but important work was also done at Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford and Johns Hopkins. Legislation to address the crisis was passed in states from New York to California.
     

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    I just watched something on tv the other night that I believe was on AHC all about this kind of thing and Nazis in the U.S. they even showed an old community they had built out in California and things... Very interesting, I am trying to figure out now what it was but I can't seem to find it anywhere!
     
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    The Nazi's actually had a specific interest in Indiana in regards to their eugenics programs, as we were the first state to pass a eugenics law in 1907 (forced sterilization, specifically). We actually had a sterilization procedure named for us that was used by the Nazi's and referenced during the Nuremberg Trials.
     

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    Well, One thing that was semi-unique about the Nazis is that they preserved private property. Yes, they did TELL companies what they were going to make, how many they needed, ect... but they never actually took the companies away from their owners. Individual German citizens still owned, and had basic rights to their possessions.

    which raises the question: if the government can tell you what to do with "your" company, what to manufacture, how much to manufacture, how much you will sell it for, how much you can earn, is it really yours? are you really free?


    That's a rhetorical question. The answer is no, they didn't preserve private property any more than the feudal system of times before that or the socialism we're rapidly approaching.
     

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    Be careful Steve....One of the few female baseball team owners in the USA lost her baseball team for making such a factual (history wise) statement regarding the Nazi's....They ran her out on a rail.........

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    On May 5, 1996, Schott aroused ire when she made statements favorable of Adolf Hitler, saying he "was good in the beginning, but went too far."[SUP][3][/SUP] MLB again banned Schott from day-to-day operations through 1998. Later in the month, Schott was quoted in Sports Illustrated as speaking in a "cartoonish Japanese accent" while describing her meeting with the prime minister of Japan.[SUP][3][/SUP] Further, she said that she did not like Asian American kids "outdoing our kids" in high school.[SUP][3][/SUP]
    On April 20, 1999, Schott agreed to sell her controlling interest in the Reds for $67 million to a group led by Cincinnati businessman Carl Lindner. At the time she was facing a third suspension, failing health and an expiring ownership agreement with her limited partners, who planned to oust her. Schott remained as a minority partner.


    What is funny is that my Grandfather...A WW2 veteran of North Africa, Sicily, and Italy said the same thing to me when I was a kid...

    "Papaw...Why did the German people back Hitler if he was such an evil man????"

    "Well son....When he first came into power he wasn't that bad...."

    He was just being honest and trying to explain to me that evil gets in by hiding behind good....

    So you think that this statement is factual? "Hitler was good in the beginning, he just went to far".
     

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    So you think that this statement is factual? "Hitler was good in the beginning, he just went to far".

    In the beginning, he was a thug, and used thug tactics to intimidate.
    But on the national level, to the "man on the street", he got things done. And the man on the street overlooked things if broken rules and intimidation got him stuff.
    That's why I get mad when people decry a tactic the opposing side uses, or goes over the line, but are okay with it when their "side" does it.
    You should not protect your rights, because then you are by yourself. Instead, you should protect everyone else's rights, even if you disagree. Cause if they can take the other guy's rights, then they can take yours.
     

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    Same as it ever was ...

    Talking Heads reference. F@%KING AWESOME!
     

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    What is funny is that my Grandfather...A WW2 veteran of North Africa, Sicily, and Italy said the same thing to me when I was a kid...

    "Papaw...Why did the German people back Hitler if he was such an evil man????"

    "Well son....When he first came into power he wasn't that bad...."

    He was just being honest and trying to explain to me that evil gets in by hiding behind good....

    Germany was just as devastated by the Great Depression as the United States. The people were hungry for something, anything, that would get them out of that situation. Hitler made a lot of promises that sounded good, and the people bought into it. Once he had them on the hook for economic reasons, it made the rest of his agenda that much easier to implement. This tactic is still in use today, and has been for quite some time (and I'm not talking about Germany).
     

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    Lots of revisionist history going on in this fread. Hitler was thugging well before the Nazi's came to power. Hell he tried to overthrow the govt! And after he failed, and if anyone had any misconceptions about his ideology, he put it in print (Mein Kampf), and sold morning copies than the Bible.
    Hitler didn't promises anything, he DELIVERED. He gave Germans a sense of pride and nationalism, actress being humiliated after WW1. He brought Germany out of the depression, and mad it the strongest economy in Europe. He brought in all the German speaking lands almost without firing a shot, and he told the League of Nations to pound sand. But he never ever backed away from being vocal about his disdain for Slavs, Jews, and other "mongrel" races (as an aside, it's interesting that Blacks weren't nearly a persecuted as the others).

    Now, it is fair to say that the German people didn't quite know what they were getting into when the war started, but in the first few years up until the fall of France, they were drunk with enthusiasm, from their military victories. It was really only when the tide turned that they began to slightly question their leader.

    But let's be honest, the Germans overwhelmingly brought into Hitler's racism, militarism, and vision that they were the master race.
     

    Blackhawk2001

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    Is that not about the same time the Klan was big?

    [video=youtube;ZTT1qUswYL0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTT1qUswYL0[/video]

    The better clip was when Arte Johnson and his bud (and their Vega) took the long dive into a parking lot (?) Guess I need to watch that movie again. . .
     

    Blackhawk2001

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    Lots of revisionist history going on in this fread. Hitler was thugging well before the Nazi's came to power. Hell he tried to overthrow the govt! And after he failed, and if anyone had any misconceptions about his ideology, he put it in print (Mein Kampf), and sold morning copies than the Bible.
    Hitler didn't promises anything, he DELIVERED. He gave Germans a sense of pride and nationalism, actress being humiliated after WW1. He brought Germany out of the depression, and mad it the strongest economy in Europe. He brought in all the German speaking lands almost without firing a shot, and he told the League of Nations to pound sand. But he never ever backed away from being vocal about his disdain for Slavs, Jews, and other "mongrel" races (as an aside, it's interesting that Blacks weren't nearly a persecuted as the others).

    Now, it is fair to say that the German people didn't quite know what they were getting into when the war started, but in the first few years up until the fall of France, they were drunk with enthusiasm, from their military victories. It was really only when the tide turned that they began to slightly question their leader.

    But let's be honest, the Germans overwhelmingly brought into Hitler's racism, militarism, and vision that they were the master race.

    Yeah, but people either don't pay attention (willfully, it seems) or just hear what they want to hear. Barak Obama told us exactly what he was going to do to us before he ran for election to President (and during his first campaign as well) but people either didn't understand what he intended, or overlaid their own hopes for his Presidency over what he was actually telling them.
     

    jbombelli

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    Yeah, but people either don't pay attention (willfully, it seems) or just hear what they want to hear. Barak Obama told us exactly what he was going to do to us before he ran for election to President (and during his first campaign as well) but people either didn't understand what he intended, or overlaid their own hopes for his Presidency over what he was actually telling them.

    Or that was what they actually WANTED. Lots of people today still seem to agree with everything he has done.
     

    actaeon277

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    The better clip was when Arte Johnson and his bud (and their Vega) took the long dive into a parking lot (?) Guess I need to watch that movie again. . .

    [video=youtube;eGu2camh0WA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGu2camh0WA[/video]

    At 1:50 you can see the end of the road and how far it really is.
    But it is funny.
     

    miguel

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    Yeah, interesting stuff. Germany copied a great deal of its eugenics program based on the work of Americans, including Margaret Sanger.

    Here's a gem from a Bund convention, taken in Madison Square Garden:

    MADISON_SQ_GARDEN_1939_jpg.jpg
     
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