Police shoot unarmed suspects 137 times after pursuit in East Cleveland; 2 dead

[j706]

Even death? Sounds perfectly reasonable.

Recklessly endangering innocent people? One should be allowed to do whatever is necessary to stop the foolishness including deadly force. If they end up being shot and die as a result......well they shouldn't have been doing that. A little different than using capital punishment for the crime of resisting in a motor vehicle.

 

[phylodog]

Even death? Sounds perfectly reasonable.

You have to remember that if someone flees from the police, in a vehicle, to avoid a misdemeanor marijuana arrest they have decided to commit a felony. Should their actions lead to their demise you cannot claim they were killed only for possession of marijuana.

 

[Bunnykid68]

You have to remember that if someone flees from the police, in a vehicle, to avoid a misdemeanor marijuana arrest they have decided to commit a felony. Should their actions lead to their demise you cannot claim they were killed only for possession of marijuana.

You are not saying everyone that runs should just be shot are you? I thought most felons were just arrested.

 

[fireblade]

just to lighten the mood around here.......


[ame]http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7TzPEYci_w&list=PLAD9AA9B035E55CF3&index=6&feature=plcp[/ame]

 

[phylodog]

You are not saying everyone that runs should just be shot are you? I thought most felons were just arrested.

Not at all. What I am saying is that if someone commits a minor crime and chooses to escalate the situation to the point where deadly force is reasonably used against them, one cannot ignore everything else and claim they were killed for the minor crime.

 

[Classic]

No, if they are suspected of any felony they should be shot - at least 100 times.

 

[Ted]

Tennesse v. Garner is no longer the standard in cases like this. The decision about the "fleeing felon" rule has been replaced with the "reasonableness" statute arising from Graham v. Connor. While Tennessee v Garner established a rule that fleeing felons could not be shot simply because they are fleeing, Graham v Connor expounded on that and established that shooting of a fleeing felon would be justified if doing so was reasonable according to the guidelines established. The guideline and test for reasonableness is "...the nature and quality of the intrusion vs. the govt's interest at stake..."

you cannot apply TN v. Garner here if your only arguement is that they were shot while fleeing.

TY for the update.

 

[Ted]

No, if they are suspected of any felony they should be shot - at least 100 times.

Yep, suspicion is certainly enough evidence to execute anyone. Just ask Judge Dredd.

 

[Zoub]

Dude, you can do that sarcasm anywhere BUT Chicago, New Orleans, Philly, or Cleveland.

You uh don't get West of the Mississippi often do you?

I have worked in three of the 4 you list and I have seen some that are worse when it comes to crime comedy.

 

[Project972]

i agree with the last statement.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

You uh don't get West of the Mississippi often do you?

Well, not often, but I get to Texas a bunch. Have heard horror stories about Houston and Dallas but I am not there.

 

[rambone]

Attorney General: Cleveland shooting a "Systemic Failure"

The police supervisor was only aware of 3 patrol cars pursuing the suspects. The remaining 59 had no authorization to join the chase, and ignored dispatch's instructions to terminate pursuit.

One officer climbed on top of the suspects' vehicle and shot 49 rounds into the occupants.

DeWine: Deadly chase/shooting investigation shows 'systemic failure' in Cleveland Police Department

 

[Mackey]

Dang.
Don't know what else to say.

 

[Kedric]

Wow.

 

[E'villeGunner]

Book'em, Danno'

 

[Bunnykid68]

Dang.
Don't know what else to say.

What he said

 

[mike8170]

A bunch of people need to lose their jobs for this, and I am inclined to say there are probably more than a few that need to go to jail. The passenger, no matter what was in her system, was effectively murdered. Her only option when the driver refused to stop for LE was ride it out.

 

[rgrimm01]

Did they ever find a weapon that LE thought was thrown from the car? As we all know, a revolver would not leave casings in the car.

Thoughts:
_WOW
_Whatever happened to show your hands and get out of the car?
_Do not run. Right or wrong, this will not end well for you if you do...
_WOW

 

[Bunnykid68]

A bunch of people need to lose their jobs for this, and I am inclined to say there are probably more than a few that need to go to jail. The passenger, no matter what was in her system, was effectively murdered. Her only option when the driver refused to stop for LE was ride it out.

Well, she could have jumped out while they were doing 100mph
She was murdered

 

[RabbleRouser]

Oh.....THAT'S why the government bought so much ammo...