I think its hard to place blame on the parents, could happen to any of us. How do you know the "victim" wasn't a willing participant? In most cases, age makes it "molest" by law, but not necessarily the case. I'm by no means saying it is ok, just changes things a little.
timing is interesting as Dave just left...
how can you have the hottest lady around and do that?
4. Billy Abbate stepped across the line no question but the parents of the victim share some responsibility as well. Their trust of a friend was violated but they should have had more closely monitored the situation.
I think its hard to place blame on the parents, could happen to any of us. How do you know the "victim" wasn't a willing participant? In most cases, age makes it "molest" by law, but not necessarily the case. I'm by no means saying it is ok, just changes things a little.
I'm gonna be the jerk that everyone hates here.
But it sounds from the articles, (and if I'm wrong I'll join in with the "shoot him in his face in the woods" bunch), as if it was consensual.
Yes I know that at that age she doesn't have the RIGHT to consent. And it's super taboo to say that sleeping with a girl under 18 is anything other than the sickest most revolting thing on earth. But 18 was picked arbitrarily. Someone just said 18 one day and all of a sudden younger made you a freak.
For 1000's of years humans have had sex at the age of maturity. Great kings, hero's, politicians have all married and had children born by girls in their teens.
Everyone is calling him a pedophile. It always seems to me like people who jump on the "string him up and bleed him out, that girl was only 17 years and 4 months old" bandwaggon are very insecure. I always feel like they are trying to make up for their own guilty feelings somehow.
I don't know, but to me a pedophile is someone who is attracted to undeveloped children. By 15 or 16 most girls are developed pretty fully. Nature made their bodies ready to bear children. All the features that come along with that, by natures design, attract the sexual attention of men. Being attracted to a fully developed female is a natural reaction. It's subconscious. You can't legislate away a man being attracted to a fertile woman with full breasts and widened hips emitting pheromones developed by our creator to arouse the opposite sex. It's as impossible as declaring hurricaned and floods illegal.
I'd be willing to bet that there are states where it's legal for a man to marry a 15 year old girl with a parents consent. If not states, I know for sure countries. Is a guy that is willing to get a pat on the back from mom and dad and sign a marriage certificate and do it legally also a rapist and pedophile? If a girl at that age really has no capacity to consent then shouldn't the parents be charged with accessory to rape?
Again, I'm not saying this guy isn't a world class idiot. I'm not saying he's not a fool for throwing everything away over this. I'm not saying he was right. I'm not saying it doesn't show some big character flaws if a guy is only attracted to young girls that he can "control". But his wife seems like a strong woman. The girl seems like a smart, strong, confident, level headed girl that made a choice that she felt comfortable with. I bet she's a lot more emotionally secure and intellectually acute than most girls 3 years older than her that get pushed into a life of drugs and porn. But they are "grown women" and can make their own choices. I don't get the "preying on the weak" vibe from this story. I get the "idiot that couldn't keep it in his pants and threw away a life that most gun nuts would lose a leg to have" vibe.
I'm just saying it sounds like she was very much in favor of the relationship. If so I doubt it "damaged" her any more than if she had a boyfriend her own age to engage is such activities with. If she was in favor of it, I'd say this public uproar is far more damaging to her than a romance with an older guy.
As I said, if I'm wrong and he really coerced or forced her, and that's not just legal jargon associated with the charges, then there isn't punishment enough for him.
I know no one will rep me for this post. No one will post a thumbs up or +1. It's just too taboo. The only responses will be that I must not have kids, or I must be a rapist to think that way. Just a guy being honest and unafraid to say that not every law lives up to it's good intentions.
I know no one will rep me for this post. No one will post a thumbs up or +1. It's just too taboo. The only responses will be that I must not have kids, or I must be a rapist to think that way. Just a guy being honest and unafraid to say that not every law lives up to it's good intentions.
According to authorities, Abbate, a professional shooter, traveled with the alleged victim and her shooting team to various states, where some of the alleged acts occurred.
The mother of the girl came forward last month with the allegations.
Henry County Police detectives allegedly recovered evidence after executing search warrants at Abbate’s home in Henry and a shooting range in Butts County.
child molestation, aggravated child molestation, enticing a child for indecent purposes, sexual exploitation of children and statutory rape
Henry County police said Abbate was teaching a 15-year-old girl how to shoot a gun when he started having sex with her.
Did the Abbate's wife tell the girls Father (my wife thinks so, she says that makes sense with the time line)?According to police, Abbate is friends with the teenager's father. In July he found out about the inappropriate relationship and alerted the police
most of Abbate's sexual encounters with his friend's 15-year-old daughter happened at his ranch in McDonough.
I bet he did as I bet the girls father is a bit angry, but remember, he knew in July.William Leonard Abbate, 45, turned himself in to the Henry County Jail at 3:10 p.m., Thursday
The alleged child molestation offenses for which Abbate is charged reportedly took place March 17, 2010, at his home, in McDonough, or on his farm in Butts County.
traveled with her and her shooting team to various states, offering instruction, according to Henry County Police Maj. Jason Bolton. Other jurisdictions are expected to file charges
The defendant knowingly enticed [the victim] to engage in sexually explicit conduct for the purpose of producing a visual medium
“On July 18, a complainant contacted Henry County Police regarding an alleged improper sexual relationship between his 15-year-old daughter and Abbate, who was a family friend,” said Bolton. “Numerous witnesses have been interviewed by police, and the investigation is ongoing.”
I know no one will rep me for this post.
This started over a year ago...so she was 14 at the time of the offenses charged in 2010? and he's 30 years older?
I don't give a rat's ass what they did 100 years ago.
Sick. Absolutely freaking sick
+1 ABSOLUTELY.
Let one of you "they did this 100 years ago types" try and touch my daughter and this story will end much differently. I am not going to the police.
coach said:Let one of you "they did this 100 years ago types" try and touch my daughter and this story will end much differently. I am not going to the police.
i personally find this talk inappropriate for this forum.. im suprised it is here. i thought we were supposed to be talking about shooting sports and firearms and not digging up gossip on this tragedy.
You don't know if the young lady you keep refering to is even involved in this in anyway. But now she is thanks to you. You say you have a teenage daughter. Well if she was the one involved would you want everyone knowing and talking about it on a forum?first of all, some of the folks here KNOW the ladies involved and have shot matches with them.
Also, my teenage daughter is a fan of the probable victim and many of us competative shooters here follow the career of the ex-wife, as well as those who were on the now supposedly dead Team Glock.
This impacts more than just our little INGo forum. You aren't a fan of Team Glock, I was...