Officials see rise in militia groups across US

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  • raiven

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    It seems they see it coming as well with all the talk of revolution braeking out across the country like this.

    WASHINGTON (AP) - Militia groups with gripes against the government are regrouping across the country and could grow rapidly, according to an organization that tracks such trends. The stress of a poor economy and a liberal administration led by a black president are among the causes for the recent rise, the report from the Southern Poverty Law Center says. Conspiracy theories about a secret Mexican plan to reclaim the Southwest are also growing amid the public debate about illegal immigration

    Bart McEntire, a special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, told SPLC researchers that this is the most growth he's seen in more than a decade.



    "All it's lacking is a spark," McEntire said in the report.

    It's reminiscent of what was seen in the 1990s—right-wing militias, people ideologically against paying taxes and so-called "sovereign citizens" are popping up in large numbers, according to the report to be released Wednesday. The SPLC is a nonprofit civil rights group that, among other activities, investigates hate groups.

    Last October, someone from the Ohio Militia posted a recruiting video on YouTube, billed as a "wake-up call" for America. It's been viewed more than 60,000 times.

    "Things are bad, things are real bad, and it's going to be a lot worse," said the man on the video, who did not give his name. "Our country is in peril."

    The man is holding an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle, and he encourages viewers to buy one.

    While anti-government sentiment has been on the rise over the last two years, there aren't as many threats and violent acts at this point as there were in the 1990s, according to the report. That movement bore the likes of Timothy McVeigh, who in 1995 blew up a federal building in Oklahoma City and killed 168 people.

    But McEntire fears it's only a matter of time.

    These militias are concentrated in the Midwest, Pacific Northwest and the Deep South, according to Mark Potok, an SPLC staff director who co-wrote the report. Recruiting videos and other outreach on the Internet are on the rise, he said, and researchers from his center found at least 50 new groups in the last few months.

    The militia movement of the 1990s gained traction with growing concerns about gun control, environmental laws and anything perceived as liberal government meddling.

    The spark for that movement came in 1992 with an FBI standoff with white separatist Randall Weaver at Ruby Ridge, Idaho. Weaver's wife and son were killed by an FBI sniper. And in 1993, a 52-day standoff between federal agents and the Branch Davidian cult in Waco, Texas, resulted in nearly 80 deaths. These events rallied more people who became convinced that the government would murder its own citizens to promote its liberal agenda.

    Now officials are seeing a new generation of activists, according to the report. The law center spotlights Edward Koernke, a Michigan man who hosts an Internet radio show about militias. His father, Mark, was a major figure in the 1990s militia movement and served six years in prison for charges including assaulting police.

    Last year, officials warned about an increase in activity from militias in a five-year threat projection by the Homeland Security Department.

    "White supremacists and militias are more violent and thus more likely to conduct mass-casualty attacks on the scale of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing," the threat projection said.

    A series of domestic terrorism incidents over the past year have not been directly tied to organized militias, but the rhetoric behind some of the crimes are similar with that of the militia movement. For instance, the man charged with the April killings of three Pittsburgh police officers posted some of his views online. Richard Andrew Poplawski wrote that U.S. troops could be used against American citizens, and he thinks a gun ban could be coming.

    The FBI's assistant director for counterterrorism, Michael Heimbach, said that law enforcement officials need to identify people who go beyond hateful rhetoric and decide to commit violent acts and crimes. Heimbach said one of the bigger challenges is identifying the lone-wolf offenders.

    One alleged example of a lone-wolf offender is the 88-year-old man charged in the June shooting death of a guard at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington. ___

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    There are many problems with this story. The premise itself is flawed and look at the source. The Southern Poverty Law Center? Please. They're a racist group themselves, (according to no less a site than HuffPo). Did they even bother to interview any militia members? Nope. Couldn't find any? Please. Mike Vanderboegh, (who addressed this very article) is hardly anonymous and can be seen all over the web, (especially on pro-2nd Amendment sites). This is more hysteria from the BATFU, SPLC and their minions in the press.
     

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    I have beem listening to some militia radio the last couple of days, just to see what they were saying. They are going to have a hard time getting my support. Most of them sound like kooks to me. They keep talking about our boys in Iraq and Afghanistan being war criminals. They were just commenting about some of them getting killed by a truck bomb and how they had it coming for being over there in this illegal war. Disagree with the government sending the troops over there all you want, but leave my fricking troops out of it.
     
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    Is this thread even Survival or Prep related? I think Politics is more suited for this thread. I see no bearing or prepping or survival events/tactics/skills.
     

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    "White supremacists and militias are more violent and thus more likely to conduct mass-casualty attacks on the scale of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing," the threat projection said.

    I'm sorry, but if anyone plans doing something like this, then they ARE terrorists, plain and simple. I'll support them going to jail, even death row. Killing innocent people is not a way to win support or even take back America.

    That quote alone discredits the whole article as government propoganda. Maybe militia's are on the rise, but I can almost guaruntee you they aren't planning any "Timothy McVei" type bombings. Not unless they involve the UN or George Soro's house.... :): J/K. Kinda.

    Either way, if militia's are forming, real militia's, it's to protect against invasion by UN troops or Mexican Cartels. Not Mexcian government, but the Cartels. the Mexican government can't even control it's own police force let alone the flys feeding off the dead bodies they leave behind. Now there may be radical groups forming that ARE the type to kill innocent people. Like the KKK, and what not. Those are not Patriots. Those are sick, twisted individuals living in a racist past that they cannot let go of.

    If the people really believe that the military, OUR military, will take part with the UN "Peacekeepers" to quell any revolt, they need to think again. Yea, I'm sure there will be those within our ranks that fight with the UN, but then again, they'll probably be part of these racist groups that really are a threat.

    Either way, the revolt is not upon us yet. We still have elections to look forward to. After that, only time will tell which road this Country takes. Americans are waking up and waking up fast. I just hope enough wake up fully and see that we are no longer a republic, but an obligarky ruled by the elite of the elite and not the will of the people.
     

    techres

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    Obligarky?

    I love it! Oligarchy may be what he meant, but this is better, way better.

    Obligarky, definition: To be ruled by your Obligations. I.E. Social security, welfare, and other current "obligations" ruin any ability for a government to act freely or retract in size. In an Obligarky, no one person or group can decrease, instead only holding actions can be taken to stop the natural increase in size as obligations take on additional size.

    Obligarky. I absolutely love it.

    SE is a genius.
     

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    In an Obligarky, no one person or group can decrease, instead only holding actions can be taken to stop the natural increase in size as obligations take on additional size.

    SE is a genius.


    Thereby increasing the size of the Federal Barakracy.
     

    SavageEagle

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    Just becuz I kant spel dont meen you shud pik on me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Oh, hold on...

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    Now what was we talking about?
     

    techres

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    Don't say that. You'll just encourage him.

    Oh, man it works on so many levels:

    Obligarky on a personal level usually manifests itself economically as a slavery to financial obligations such as debt and/or work requirements that control life outside of work (i.e. Union Membership).

    Obligarky on a group political level is also manifest with individuals taking on the views, talking points, and/or opinions as first spread by one of the two dominant political parties. Those who would break from the system are reminded of their obligation to the party to keep the other side from winning.

    Oh, man, really, I could go on. It works.
     

    SavageEagle

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    Oh, man it works on so many levels:

    Obligarky on a personal level usually manifests itself economically as a slavery to financial obligations such as debt and/or work requirements that control life outside of work (i.e. Union Membership).

    Obligarky on a group political level is also manifest with individuals taking on the views, talking points, and/or opinions as first spread by one of the two dominant political parties. Those who would break from the system are reminded of their obligation to the party to keep the other side from winning.

    Oh, man, really, I could go on. It works.

    :facepalm:

    What did I start?

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