NYPD: Opens fire into large crowd on times square.

[Tombs]

NYPD opened fire into a large crowd on times square last night, injuring 2 women in the process. Their excuse was that they were trying to shoot a man for disorderly conduct.

[video=youtube;9QgpfCY3Mo8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QgpfCY3Mo8[/video]

Here's the peon news report: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/15/new-york-nypd-shooting/2815851/

Anyone remember the empire state building, NYPD mass shooting? CCTV of police shooting Empire State Building gunman - YouTube


Yet they claim the public can't be trusted with firearms.

 

[Dean C.]

This is appalling. Maybe the public should be allowed to carry because the obviously incompetent excuse police officers cant even shoot.

 

[Tombs]

This is appalling. Maybe the public should be allowed to carry because the obviously incompetent excuse police officers cant even shoot.

No, they just need a heavier trigger. The 8lb and then 12lb speciality glock triggers obviously aren't heavy enough.

They need to be around 300lb, that would make the people of new york much safer.

And of course abolishing their tyrannical firearms laws, so their people can finally be free.

 

[Dino81]

What a bunch of bozos. Bloombergs army!

 

[printcraft]

Well, technically nobody died so............ yeah........

 

[111NMC]

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...ssion/313381-2-innocent-people-shot-nypd.html

its posted over here too

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

Trying to stop a " disorderly man " , apparently talking , OC , tazer and night sticks weren't options .

No , let's shoot amongst a freakin crowd that makes much more sense .

 

[Trigger Time]

Idiots. If i hit/shoot a bystander while defending myself I'm boned! And should be. Your responsible for knowing what's beyond your target!
But some people think these guys have courage and are heros. Uh yeah

 

[Evermoore]

Well the good news is these two ladies should never have to work another day in their lives..

 

[cobber]

Sounds like tort-time for Mayor Mikey's finest. Reckless endangerment comes to mind. Immunity for such actions would only reward bad training by the NYPD.

Wonder at what point Noo Yawkers are going to realize their police aren't mythical paragons of firearms training? And that a reasonably-trained citizen could do better.

 

[metaldog]

This is very disturbing to me. Whatever happened to the days of a "foot chase"? It seems there are way to many police who are to quick to shoot first & ask questions later. OK, so the perp "acted" that he had a gun. Shouldn't the officers demand that he disarm before shooting him on suspicion? These officers should be reprimanded for wreckless endangerment of the public. And Secondly, any person (police or not) who aims a weapon, should be sure of their target before getting trigger happy. Firearm Basics 101...
The other thing that really chaps my hind, is the media's LACK of thorough detailed reporting. There are so many unanswered questions in this incident. Media coverage is basically crap, IMO.

 

[phylodog]

Inexcusable behavior from those officers no doubt. I find it difficult to find much sympathy for those who grab their cell phones and stand around gawking when police officers have their guns drawn and are dealing with an obviously tense situation. If you don't want to get shot, GTFO when people have guns drawn.

 

[halfmileharry]

So this is where Mayor Big Gulp gets his motivation for gun control? Where's Barney and Goober when you need a competent police presence?

 

[lucky4034]

I find it difficult to find much sympathy for those who grab their cell phones and stand around gawking when police officers have their guns drawn and are dealing with an obviously tense situation. If you don't want to get shot, GTFO when people have guns drawn.

For all the times you've chastised members for presumptuously formulating an opinion on the actions of "bad apple" police without having the details, I'm shocked you do the same for the civilians.

How could you possibly know how fast the situation devolved into shooting? And how obvious was it that there was even a situation? Afterall this was Time Square... there was likely thousands of people there sight seeing and dazzled by the lights, until shots rang out, I doubt the majority even were aware someone was being arrested. Two innocent ladies were shot and somehow you rationalize this scenario by saying... "they shouldn't have been hanging around".

The only thing we know is that unless the guy pulled a knife or gun and put the officers in grave danger that a nighstick or tazer couldn't handle... they made a poor decision and hopefully lose their jobs for it.

 

[kiddchaos]

So he's charged with menacing yet no weapon.

And I would think that riot means more than 1 person?

But, yes, he's was a nutjob and that's just my own best guess.

I once saw a drug dealer in Indpls get tazed 5 times, after dropping a gun and running from police (on the canal in the afternoon). No shots fired.

 

[sepe]

For all the times you've chastised members for presumptuously formulating an opinion on the actions of "bad apple" police without having the details, I'm shocked you do the same for the civilians.

How could you possibly know how fast the situation devolved into shooting? And how obvious was it that there was even a situation? Afterall this was Time Square... there was likely thousands of people there sight seeing and dazzled by the lights, until shots rang out, I doubt the majority even were aware someone was being arrested. Two innocent ladies were shot and somehow you rationalize this scenario by saying... "they shouldn't have been hanging around".

The only thing we know is that unless the guy pulled a knife or gun and put the officers in grave danger that a nighstick or tazer couldn't handle... they made a poor decision and hopefully lose their jobs for it.

If you think it is a great idea to pull out your cell phone to get video while the NYPD (or any of the other shoot first, rarely hit intended target) departments are escalating force much more rapidly than should be, you're a much braver man than I. With this not being the first, second, third, or forth story of innocent bystanders being shot by NYPD, it wouldn't be the best idea to stand around while they're trading shots with hot dog carts, sidewalks, or innocents. And no, if you hear shots on the streets of any city...it isn't best to just hang out.

 

[lucky4034]

I didn't say it was a good idea to whip out anything... 2 ladies were shot and it says nothing about them being shot because they were taking pictures. "The cops screwed up no doubt... but I don't feel sympathy for those standing around gawking when Barney Fife decides he wants to use them for a backstop".

For those around who did have video footage, they probably already had their cell phones out when F-Troop decided to draw and open fire. Again... this is Time Square, how many people at any given time are taking pictures and videos?

 

[Kedric]

Anybody remember this one?
[video=youtube;eP6UvNgbqIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP6UvNgbqIA[/video]

 

[Dragon]

Inexcusable behavior from those officers no doubt. I find it difficult to find much sympathy for those who grab their cell phones and stand around gawking when police officers have their guns drawn and are dealing with an obviously tense situation. If you don't want to get shot, GTFO when people have guns drawn.

Is this supposed to be in purple? So the innocent bystanders are at fault for being in the way of bullets fired negligently?

 

[Trigger Time]

Inexcusable behavior from those officers no doubt. I find it difficult to find much sympathy for those who grab their cell phones and stand around gawking when police officers have their guns drawn and are dealing with an obviously tense situation. If you don't want to get shot, GTFO when people have guns drawn.

I agree. But if you can film safely then go for it. Also it didnt look like some of those people had anywhere to go nor could first tell what the safe direction to flee is in.