North Korea rocket launch - why bother having rules?

[hoosierdoc]

Why does the UN think their rules and resolutions mean anything? NK agreed to not do this. We didn't do anything about Saddam for years, we let NK shoot a missle. We should have blasted that thing as soon as it was gaining elevation. Makes the world look soft.

What says you?

 

[J_Wales]

Well... we're just going to have to show them and give them a stern talking to.

Maybe the UN can form a circle jerk committee to issue some warnings.

Perhaps the U.S. will impose sanctions (while still supplying them with food aid of course).

Meanwhile, while the UN sits in a circle jerking each other off and the U.S. feeds the citizens of NK, NK will be fueling the next rocket.

 

[indykid]

So was the rocket launch a success or did it suffer some strange and undetectable failure?

 

[stchas]

It broke up. I'm sure they'll blame someone for sabotage.

 

[cobber]

It makes the UN look ineffective. We should be concerned about that, because we want a really strong UN to push sovereign nations around.


Like after they adopt their little gun control treaty?


Be careful what you wish for.

 

[buckstopshere]

It makes the UN look ineffective. We should be concerned about that, because we want a really strong UN to push sovereign nations around.


Like after they adopt their little gun control treaty?


Be careful what you wish for.

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Why is it the business of the UN to make rules for sovereign nations? If North Korea wants to test a rocket, they should be able to. We test ours.

 

[Fletch]

Why is it the business of the UN to make rules for sovereign nations? If North Korea wants to test a rocket, they should be able to. We test ours.

Yeah, but nobody has any rights except Americans.

 

[mrjarrell]

I'm all in favour of people ignoring the UN. If enough people do it, maybe they'll pack it up and all go home.

 

[J_Wales]

It makes the UN look ineffective. We should be concerned about that, because we want a really strong UN to push sovereign nations around.


Like after they adopt their little gun control treaty?


Be careful what you wish for.

Indeed.

 

[hoosierdoc]

It makes the UN look ineffective. We should be concerned about that, because we want a really strong UN to push sovereign nations around.


Like after they adopt their little gun control treaty?


Be careful what you wish for.

I agree the UN is worthless and we need the US out of the UN and such, but just like Iraq we can be internationally justified in unilaterally enforcing the UN treaty by zapping the missle to kingdom come. If we act alone to enforce the UN that is even more evidence that the UN is worthless and we don't need them. Start the new alliance of democratically elected governments only.

 

[melensdad]

Why does the UN think their rules and resolutions mean anything?

I dunno. The original League of Nations was a failure. Now the United Nations, which was formed as a replacement organization is clearly a failure. Both relied on a couple strong nations to act as "world police" and for weak nations to comply. Both are miserable failures.

NK agreed to not do this.

When has North Korea ever told the truth?

We didn't do anything about Saddam for years, we let NK shoot a missle.

Why should we stop them? Seriously why should we intervene in the internal affairs of foreign nations? Has anyone harmed the very neutral nation of Switzerland? Maybe instead of beating our chests like King Kong we should consider minding our own business.

We should have blasted that thing as soon as it was gaining elevation.

Why?

Makes the world look soft.

Most of the world is and they use us to do their dirty work. We are the idiots.

What says you?

I just did.

 

[hoosierdoc]

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Why is it the business of the UN to make rules for sovereign nations? If North Korea wants to test a rocket, they should be able to. We test ours.

Because N Korea agreed to NOT do this in exchange for various food aid and other benefits and violated their agreement

 

[melensdad]

Because N Korea agreed to NOT do this in exchange for various food aid and other benefits and violated their agreement

They have violated every agreement with us that I can ever think of and probably have violated every UN agreement they ever made. Who is surprised by this? Why are we (and the fine folks at the UN) such idiots to believe they would not violate an agreement when their history is long and rich with deceit?

 

[cobber]

I'm all in favour of people ignoring the UN. If enough people do it, maybe they'll pack it up and all go home.

Maybe the Donald can buy the UN Headquarters and convert it to condos. Evict the UN and they can move to Jersey.

 

[mrjarrell]

Because N Korea agreed to NOT do this in exchange for various food aid and other benefits and violated their agreement

Mmmm...no, they didn't. They agreed to suspend their nuclear weapons program. This rocket launch wasn't a nuclear weapons test. It was, according to the NoKos, a satellite launch. We haven't stopped Iran from doing the same thing. Or China.

 

[Mackey]

I'm all in favour of people ignoring the UN. If enough people do it, maybe they'll pack it up and all go home.

Yes, we can only hope. But there are many people in this country who are dying to pass our rights on to some one world system.

 

[cobber]

Yes, we can only hope. But there are many people in this country who are dying to pass our rights on to some one world system.

Here's the irony. What's worse, a UN dominated by the US, or an American global empire, with the US directly in control and calling the shots?

 

[KG1]

They have violated every agreement with us that I can ever think of and probably have violated every UN agreement they ever made. Who is surprised by this? Why are we (and the fine folks at the UN) such idiots to believe they would not violate an agreement when their history is long and rich with deceit?

The simple solution is to not make any more agreements.

 

[mrjarrell]

Here's the irony. What's worse, a UN dominated by the US, or an American global empire, with the US directly in control and calling the shots?

Both are equally terrifying.

 

[cobber]

The simple solution is to not make any more agreements.

Treaties are like contracts and promises. Made to be broken, or rather, observed in the breach. If you trust the other partner, don't need a writing.

The twentieth century is the era of well-intentioned but ineffective international treaties and organizations.

My favorite has to be the Kellogg-Briand Pact.