IndyGunSafety
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Would you do the same thing if you didn't carry a gun on you?
I dont think you should ever do something armed that you wouldn't do unarmed.
+1! But I'm glad it worked out for the OP.
Would you do the same thing if you didn't carry a gun on you?
I dont think you should ever do something armed that you wouldn't do unarmed.
Most cell phones there is no need to key in 911. Simply press the 9 button and continue to hold it down until it dials, about 4 seconds.
I just tried this on 2 different versions of the iPhone and a Samsung smart phone. It does not work on any of these.
I'm not getting the connection you are trying to make with the provocation thing here either. All the OP did was tell the guy he would call the police if he did'nt stop what he was doing and leave.Welcome to INGO
Since you asked, if it were me and he was disturbing the peace and/or making threats I would have kept my mouth shut and called the police.
Everyone did go their own separate ways and nobody got hurt so you do get a ; what you did obviously worked today.
Now from the keyboard here it's easy to armchair quarterback; but you're looking at a few things, by you initiating the contact if he had gotten into an altercation with you and/or the use of your firearm was necessary to prevent serious bodily injury and/or death, it may come down to a DA charging you with provocation, and removing a self defense claim.
IC 35-42-2-3
Provocation
Sec. 3. A person who recklessly, knowingly, or intentionally engages in conduct that is likely to provoke a reasonable man to commit battery commits provocation, a Class C infraction.
Most cell phones there is no need to key in 911. Simply press the 9 button and continue to hold it down until it dials, about 4 seconds.
Welcome to INGO
Since you asked, if it were me and he was disturbing the peace and/or making threats I would have kept my mouth shut and called the police.
Everyone did go their own separate ways and nobody got hurt so you do get a ; what you did obviously worked today.
Now from the keyboard here it's easy to armchair quarterback; but you're looking at a few things, by you initiating the contact if he had gotten into an altercation with you and/or the use of your firearm was necessary to prevent serious bodily injury and/or death, it may come down to a DA charging you with provocation, and removing a self defense claim.
Not making the claim that it would stick, but hang around here long enough and you'll see news stories that prove that politics can make the decision of whether or not to go to court more than the accounts of the events; and defending yourself in court is an expensive proposition, when you can take steps to avoid having to in the first place, and in my book unless he's breached the door, this isn't a judged by 12 than carried by 6 and it's not like he's come after you to start with, he could've cared less you where even there until you intervened.
Also consider this man is upset with you, in his eyes you're some stranger interfering in his life, and he knows you have a gun and where you live, there's nothing to stop him from going out to the car and calling the cops claiming you threatened him; or coming back and attempting to steal your firearm later (on an assumption that statistically whether it applies to you or not, many gun owners own more than one). It's something to consider because NRA stickers have gotten people arrested with false claims made in road rage incidents. You also don't know if he'll be back tomorrow armed and having a beef with you and her. It's a messy divorce, when things get like this emotions run so high, hence why what is most likely an otherwise reasonable man standing out in the hallway pounding on the door, the cops themselves tend to try to avoid going into the situations without backup whenever possible (it's still essentially a DV situation even if it's not what the legal terms, due to relationship and living arrangements, come to it's still that volatile)
I'm all for looking out for your neighbors and those around you; but this is one of those times where getting the cops involved is going to be more likely to help things in the long run, and if he's causing as many issues as you make it sound; it's probably not going to be long before they can document things well enough for her to get a restraining order and keep him away. If he comes around causing problems again, you should be able to hear the yelling before you see him, pick up the cell, call 911 tell them what's going on give them the location. If you know his car and can get the plates before you enter the building, you can give them that information and they have a chance at knowing who they are dealing with before they arrive.
On the flip side of things, he may now think she's got friends that have guns and decide to stay away or not bother her at home and perhaps OC will truly deter him; but we can't get inside his head to know that.
And I'll reiterate: Everyone did go their own separate ways and nobody got hurt so you do get a ; what you did obviously worked today. When everyone goes home unhurt that's the goal.
So there the from some guy one the internet.
And again, welcome to INGO
Normally in this type of situation I would just call the police. You're young. You need to learn that people get the friends/bf/gf/spouses/exes they deserve. They choose them. Not you.
If she was a close, personal friend then I would have intervened more. But then if that were true you would have known him, too.
I consider this a positive encounter and the fact that I was OC might have prevented any violence. If anybody has any input on how I could have handled that in a better manner, I would appreciate a comment.
Really? How do you figure? You seriously think someone "deserves" an abusive spouse/ex-spouse?!
You see man pounding on a door and yelling and you respond with "sir, I think you should leave before I call the police", and you call that "provocation to commit battery"? I don't think so.
"Officer, he told me he was going to call the police so I pounded his face in for provoking me to wrath".
ETA - walk up to someone and say "hey, your wife is a slut". Now that is provocation.