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    U.S. Army Trains To Confront Tea Party ‘Terrorists’


    Military personnel blow the whistle on exercise which involved troops taking protesters to concentration camps
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    Kurt Nimmo & Paul Joseph Watson
    Thursday, April 29, 2010
    In a shocking development that outstrips even the infamous MIAC report, it has emerged via whistleblowers that the U.S. Military in Kentucky is training to confront Tea Party protesters and anti-government demonstrators, who in official intelligence advisories are described as bomb-making terrorists.

    On April 17, the Courier-Journal in Louisville, Kentucky, reported on a military exercise dubbed “Mangudai,” named after the special forces of Genghis Khan’s Mongol army who could fight for days without food or sleep. The Kentucky newspaper portrayed the exercise as an effort to train soldiers to battle the Taliban in Afghanistan.
    “Designed to test the limits of officers’ physical, mental and emotional endurance, the emerging Army exercise offered a revealing window onto modern combat training in the era of Iraq and Afghanistan,” Chris Kenning wrote for the newspaper. “Over three days last week, participants had to crawl on their bellies under real machine-gun fire, shimmy commando-style over a single rope high in the air and march for more than 22 miles through forests.”

    But according to information received by The Patriot Post blog, there is another aspect to the military exercises not reported by local media.
    “This week, I was contacted by a number of military personnel, enlisted and officer ranks, who expressed concern about a military exercise underway at Ft. Knox, the U.S. Bullion Depository. As with most such exercises, the Ft. Knox alert occurred in stages, as if real time intelligence was being provided at various intervals,” writes Mark Alexander.
    Alexander cites an intel advisory issued on Friday, April 23, 2010, that identifies terrorist threat adversaries as “Local Militia Groups / Anti-Government Protesters / TEA Party” (see image below).
    In short, the military was training in Kentucky to take on mythical militias

    — no word if they were of the FBI-created variety — and remarkably the non-violent Tea Party movement.
    “Anti-Government – Health Care Protesters have stated that they would join the TEA Party as a sign of solidarity” during a protest at Fort Knox. The Tea Party “groups are armed, have combative training and some are former Military Snipers. Some may have explosives training / experience,” according to the intel report.
    An intel report update, dated Monday, 26 April 2010, noted that a “rally at the Militia compound occurred,” and “Viable threats … have been made… Many members were extremely agitated at what they referred to as Government intervention and over taxation in their lives. Alcohol use ‘fanned the flames.’ Many military grade firearms were openly carried. An ad hoc ’shoot the government agent’ event was held with prizes (alcohol) given for the best shot placement.”
    In addition to being drunkards, the report describes the Tea Party as bomb-throwers. “Components of bomb making are reported to have been on the site. Some members have criminal records relating to explosive and weapons violations.”

    In response to the this “immediate threat,” the military established concentration camps for “mass arrests.”
    QRF, short for the Quick Reaction Force of the 16th Cavalry Regiment and the 194th Armored Brigade were placed on two hour recall. “The 26 April order gives specific instructions for the 5-15 CAV (a 16th Cavalry battalion) to have weapons, ammo, vehicles and communications at ready, and it places the other 2,200 members of the units on two-hour recall. In other words, these orders are to gear up for defending Ft. Knox against Tea Party folks and their co-conspirators who oppose nationalization of our health care sector,” writes Alexander.
    Military officers and enlisted personnel told Alexander about their concerns:
    As one put it, the exercise “misrepresents freedom loving Americans as drunken, violent racists — the opponents of Obama’s policies have been made the enemy of the U.S. Army.”
    They were equally concerned that command staff at Ft. Knox had signed off on this exercise, noting, “it has been issued and owned by field grade officers who lead our battalions and brigades,” which is to say many Lieutenant Colonels saw this order before it was implemented.
    In fact, we can assume this “exercise” was orchestrated at the highest levels in the Pentagon. Lieutenant Colonels merely carry out orders.
    An Army document entitled “Army Continuity of Operations Program (COOP)” spells out the militarization of the U.S. “Homeland” under Northcom.
    In July, 2009, Infowars reported on a Missouri National Guard unit out of Camp Crowder engaged in a training exercise designed to take on a fictitious militant group. An earlier exercise in the Black Hills of South Dakota trained soldiers to confront an “insurgent group” with “a reputation for harassing convoys with ambushes and improvised explosive devices.”
    In September, 2008, the Pentagon announced the 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team would be deployed in the United States under the control of Northcom. “They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack,” the Army Times reported. (Emphasis added.)
    Since the end of the Civil War deployment of the U.S. military inside the U.S. has been prohibited under The Posse Comitatus Act.

    In early 2006, the 109th Congress passed a bill containing controversial provisions granting the president the ability to use federal troops inside the United States in emergency situations. These changes (in Section 1076) were included in the John Warner Defense Appropriation Act for Fiscal Year 2007. In 2008, Congress restored many of the earlier limitations on the president’s ability to deploy troops within the United States, but Bush issued a signing statement indicating he was not bound by the changes. Obama has taken up with signing statements where Bush left off.
    A report issued in 2008 by the U.S. Army War College discussed the use of American troops to quell civil unrest brought about by a worsening economic crisis. The report from the War College’s Strategic Studies Institute warned that the U.S. military must prepare for a “violent, strategic dislocation inside the United States” that could be provoked by “unforeseen economic collapse” or “loss of functioning political and legal order.”
    For more than a decade the Pentagon has endeavored to acclimate Americans to the presence of troops on the streets. Instances of the Pentagon putting troops on the streets are numerous and have increased in frequency over the last few years.
    In March of 2009, Infowars reported on U.S. Army soldiers dispatched in Samson, Alabama, supposedly in response to a rampaging gunman.
    In December, 2008, the Marine Corps Air and Ground Combat Center and the local California Highway Patrol worked together “in a joint effort to reduce accidents and drinking and driving” in San Bernardino County, a blatant violation of Posse Comitatus.
    The Iowa National Guard planned an exercise in the small town of Arcadia but rolled back the invasion after citizens complained about soldiers patrolling the streets of an American town.
    Military police were positioned at the 2009 Kentucky Derby and in April of the same year 400 National Guard Combat Support Battalion troops were dispatched to “maintain public order” at the Boston Marathon.
    In April of 2009, an Infowars reader sent a page taken from the Hardeman County, Tennessee, Bulletin Times announcing a seat belt checkpoint to be conducted on April 4 “in conjunction with a Homeland Security training exercise by the 251st Military Police in Bolivar who recently returned from Iraq.”
    On April 15, 2009, we reported on how the Maryland National Guard was put on alert in anticipation of Tax Day nationwide Tea Party protests. A Force Protection Advisory issued on April 11 instructed the National Guard to be on alert during the Tea Party protests because Guardsmen and Guard facilities might become “targets of opportunity.” It was later learned that the Department of Homeland Security had put the protesters under surveillance.
    Adding the Tea Party to the list of “insurgents” is a new and especially surreal development, but hardly an unexpected one considering the fear of the establishment to this growing political movement.
    A poll conducted earlier this month found supporters of the Tea Party to be primarily white, male, married and older than 45.
    “Of the 18 percent of Americans who identified themselves as supporters, 20 percent, or 4 percent of the general public, said they had given money or attended a Tea Party event, or both. These activists were more likely than supporters generally to describe themselves as very conservative and had more negative views about the economy and Mr. Obama. They were more angry with Washington and intense in their desires for a smaller federal government and deficit,” the New York Times reported.
    They are not, as the DHS and the Southern Poverty Law Center would have it, disgruntled returning veterans, white supremacists, and violent militia members who hate Obama because of his skin color.
    Over the last several months the government and corporate media have endeavored to portray this demographic as potentially violent and has fallaciously connected it to white supremacists and a mythical militia movement that is supposedly gearing up to attack the government.
    If we are to believe the above report, the U.S. military is preparing to attack Tea Party supporters. All that will be required is an appropriate false flag event to set this act in motion.
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    This could never happen in America.
    The members of our armed forces especially the Army are comprised of the most courageous and honorable 18 to 35 year olds who would refuse such an order.
    Right?

    Hey guys I don't discount your service but what exactly is the percentage/ratio of good soliders to ones that would blindly give or follow this type of order?

    I guess my faith in all of the younger generations and officers is shakey when I see this stuff being reported.
     

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    This could never happen in America.
    The members of our armed forces especially the Army are comprised of the most courageous and honorable 18 to 35 year olds who would refuse such an order.
    Right?

    Hey guys I don't discount your service but what exactly is the percentage/ratio of good soliders to ones that would blindly give or follow this type of order?

    I guess my faith in all of the younger generations and officers is shakey when I see this stuff being reported.
    I'm not ex-military, but isn't this presicely what they are trained to do... follow orders blindly???:dunno:
    I think more would follow orders than many choose to beleive...
     

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    This could never happen in America.
    The members of our armed forces especially the Army are comprised of the most courageous and honorable 18 to 35 year olds who would refuse such an order.
    Right?

    Hey guys I don't discount your service but what exactly is the percentage/ratio of good soliders to ones that would blindly give or follow this type of order?

    I guess my faith in all of the younger generations and officers is shakey when I see this stuff being reported.


    well i wouldnt want to dash all your hopes and dreams so i guess i just wont answer that. just view my lack of an answer as an answer.

    just to clarify: yes the members of our armed forces are very honorable, loyal, well trained, and brave.

    i will simply refer you to "HISTORY" (i dont wanna be in violation of the forum rules) research the civil war and see what happened to certain military units, schools, forts, etc. not all stayed part of the "U.S."
     

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    This could never happen in America.
    The members of our armed forces especially the Army are comprised of the most courageous and honorable 18 to 35 year olds who would refuse such an order.
    Right?

    Hey guys I don't discount your service but what exactly is the percentage/ratio of good soliders to ones that would blindly give or follow this type of order?

    I guess my faith in all of the younger generations and officers is shakey when I see this stuff being reported.

    You are a bit stretched on you most courageous and honorable 18 to 35 year old comment. I personally know several guys I went to school with who went ONLY for the GI Bill and that was it. Also, many have said openly they could care less about defending their country and did it for the money. I do agree that a lot of people go to the military to defend their country and serve and should be honored as such. However, a lot of people who have joined the military in the last couple years have done it because they couldn't find anything else for work or to pay for rising college cost. Finally, your faith should be IN the younger generations and against the older generations as THEY are the ones who give the younger guys orders.

    If ANY person is attempting to arrest me or another American for a legal protest event then that person is no longer a fellow American in my eyes. The soldiers of our military are there to defend this country and that includes defending our people when they need help and not throwing them in cages for opposing the ridiculous policy of a questionable leader.
     

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    I'm not ex-military, but isn't this presicely what they are trained to do... follow orders blindly???:dunno:
    I think more would follow orders than many choose to beleive...
    Yes, especially the Marines. (don't doubt me devil dogs, you know it's true. Gunny speaks, you jump).
    There are people out there that know to disobey a unlawful order. Problem is, are there enough of them.
    I was one of them, but Disability removed me.
     

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    You are a bit stretched on you most courageous and honorable 18 to 35 year old comment. I personally know several guys I went to school with who went ONLY for the GI Bill and that was it. Also, many have said openly they could care less about defending their country and did it for the money. I do agree that a lot of people go to the military to defend their country and serve and should be honored as such. However, a lot of people who have joined the military in the last couple years have done it because they couldn't find anything else for work or to pay for rising college cost. Finally, your faith should be IN the younger generations and against the older generations as THEY are the ones who give the younger guys orders.

    If ANY person is attempting to arrest me or another American for a legal protest event then that person is no longer a fellow American in my eyes. The soldiers of our military are there to defend this country and that includes defending our people when they need help and not throwing them in cages for opposing the ridiculous policy of a questionable leader.

    might wanna take a second look. seriously.

    also there have always been a number of people who enlist to just get college paid for or because they couldnt make it in any other aspect of life., so its not a new concept. a lot though get into the military and find what has always been missing in their life, and decide to make a career out of it. a wise choice
     

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    Sorry I have a 20 year old daughter and have seen the lot of misfits that she knows and is part of her social network. If those are who we are counting on then we are *******, blued and tatooed already.

    That group of stooges couldn't have an honest original thought of intelligence to save their lives. I pray that I have just had the misfortune of meeting the worst of the crop and the rest of you have had better luck with your crop. I love my girls but man they pick some winners.
     

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    might wanna take a second look. seriously.

    also there have always been a number of people who enlist to just get college paid for or because they couldnt make it in any other aspect of life., so its not a new concept. a lot though get into the military and find what has always been missing in their life, and decide to make a career out of it. a wise choice
    Your forgetting about your weasel officer. Went to a liberal indoctrination camp (I mean college) and came into the military purely to pay off his student loans. most of them don't understand Honor, Courage, Commitment, or Leadership. All of which are required of a leader in battle, and in determining unlawful orders. I have feared for our country ever since I made E-5 and became privy to the conversations that military brass have and Relished every time I found a GOOD officer. Especially loved the mustangs. they knew how to get the job done, and they usually got their hands dirty. I pray for more mustangs.
     

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    might wanna take a second look. seriously.

    also there have always been a number of people who enlist to just get college paid for or because they couldnt make it in any other aspect of life., so its not a new concept. a lot though get into the military and find what has always been missing in their life, and decide to make a career out of it. a wise choice
    Why do you say that? Isn't it the older officers who recieve the order from above or give it theirself? Also, if the order was unconstitutional then they not follow it rather than letting the younger soldiers make the call? If you have a different view then please share.

    Yes many probably do find what is missing but I was stating that I know several personally who joined for the money and got out after their enlistment with no intentions ever of fighting for their country. That is their choice just as it is others to defend our country.


    Sorry I have a 20 year old daughter and have seen the lot of misfits that she knows and is part of her social network. If those are who we are counting on then we are *******, blued and tatooed already.

    That group of stooges couldn't have an honest original thought of intelligence to save their lives. I pray that I have just had the misfortune of meeting the worst of the crop and the rest of you have had better luck with your crop. I love my girls but man they pick some winners.

    Everybody has a few loose screws around them.
     

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    When I was serving in the 80's and 90's, I used to write OP orders and FRAG orders based on what ever I wanted to. Which is to say I made them up. Not sayin that's what has happened here, but I've done a similar thing; the one that sticks out was when our Plt was chasing 3rd phase SF candidates around Uwharrie National Forest. What I'm suggesting is that there's a chance that it was written by a smart a$$ like me.
     

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    Everyone seems to be forgetting that soldiers are subject to propaganda too.
    If uncle Sam says that group of folks over there, Americans or not, are terrorists and to go put them down, the lion share of soldiers will say to themselves "Them there terrorists gotta go!".

    Am wrong?

    Look at the vast majority of Americans...they are sheep and slaves to the propaganda machine. Are soldiers that much different? Sure they are willing to put their life on the line, but that doesnt mean they have a real idea of whats really going on.
     

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    This could never happen in America.
    The members of our armed forces especially the Army are comprised of the most courageous and honorable 18 to 35 year olds who would refuse such an order.
    Right?

    Hey guys I don't discount your service but what exactly is the percentage/ratio of good soliders to ones that would blindly give or follow this type of order?

    I guess my faith in all of the younger generations and officers is shakey when I see this stuff being reported.

    My WAG, based on my time in, is maybe... MAYBE 25% would refuse. Others would follow orders, after being fed a fair amount of propaganda.
     

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    Everyone seems to be forgetting that soldiers are subject to propaganda too.
    If uncle Sam says that group of folks over there, Americans or not, are terrorists and to go put them down, the lion share of soldiers will say to themselves "Them there terrorists gotta go!".

    Am wrong?

    Look at the vast majority of Americans...they are sheep and slaves to the propaganda machine. Are soldiers that much different? Sure they are willing to put their life on the line, but that doesnt mean they have a real idea of whats really going on.


    yes your right, it is easy to get engulfed in government induced patriotism. and if anyone thinks our government doesnt jump on the false propoganda band waggon then you've probly never been in the military and seen it first hand. yes even in todays techno crammed society, the military still has its ways to control the flow of certain info.
    for the average soldier to properly function in his combat role, the free thinking mentality must be removed in a large sense. all military training is based on building trust. a trust the soldier has for the orders coming out of his commanders mouth, to be right and just (even if not popular) its the basis of having a sound military. also to protest an order, the average soldier would need to understand why he would protest or challenge it. how many youth in todays society from ages 17 - 30 could even tell you what the preamble to the constitution is? and thats just a small part of it. so to know what a un-constitutional order would be, wouldnt they first need to know what the constitution is and the rights it guarantees and protects? so in a sense, is the average soldier obeying the order because he truely knows its right, or is he obeying it because its his duty to based on how he was trained to follow orders from his command structure? 2-cents
     
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    That is why it is so funny when they hold up eyewitness ufo sightings by leo and military. As if they are any more or less reliable than anyone of us.
    While most soliders may have honor and courage we are still dealing with everyday people just with a more specialized skill set following orders from elected officials that have the scruples of a ten year old for the most part.

    Judging right from wrong hasn't been a priority in public schools or elected officials for years. We are toast I guess.

    Everyone seems to be forgetting that soldiers are subject to propaganda too.
    If uncle Sam says that group of folks over there, Americans or not, are terrorists and to go put them down, the lion share of soldiers will say to themselves "Them there terrorists gotta go!".

    Am wrong?

    Look at the vast majority of Americans...they are sheep and slaves to the propaganda machine. Are soldiers that much different? Sure they are willing to put their life on the line, but that doesnt mean they have a real idea of whats really going on.
     
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