Titanium_Frost
Grandmaster
I'd rep you but I have to spread it around. Thanks for helping to spread the word! We have to go out for dinner with the wives sometime.
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I'd rep you but I have to spread it around. Thanks for helping to spread the word! We have to go out for dinner with the wives sometime.
Bunnykid68
Grandmaster
Lord man, why would you take the wives
Titanium_Frost
Grandmaster
Um... Have you SEEN my wife???
I take her everywhere! She is going to be at IDPA this weekend as well. She's like my little trophy.
Hoosierdood
Grandmaster
LanceRobbins24
Marksman
I repped mrortega for you!!!
Great to see another responsible citizen come to the OC side (hopefully a more common occurrence for you, mrortega). I believe responsible OC is beneficial to the 2A cause just as Hoosierdood and I spoke about after the 2A Patriots meeting tonight (I get the feeling he and I are carbon copies of each other the more I get to know him). The more people see us out with our wives and kids in every day situations, it becomes less of a "holy crap, there is a gun!!!" situation. In my 4+ years of OC, I know I've educated quite a few of the sheeple in a possitive way. I have also helped a few in LE brush up on some of the state laws...Thank the Lord they have been level headed and not elevated the situation like some officers have. I know what is best for me and my family and suggest everyone find what works best for you and yours....CC or OC, that is a personal choice and obviously been
.I haven't OC so much this summer but I do so on my regular activities when I do, despite some Hammond police thinking OC isn't legal, last time one interacted with me about it. Coming years should be interesting as I'm moving into my first house this weekend and a police officer lives on the same street and yes, I will continue to OC there when I see fit
Bunnykid68
Grandmaster
Um... Have you SEEN my wife???
I take her everywhere! She is going to be at IDPA this weekend as well. She's like my little trophy.
Because 2 dudes going out for a fancy dinner might look a little "funny".
Ok, both points taken. Yes I have seen your wife. I tried my best not to stare. Thought it would be rude and you had that violent gun on your hip that was just itching to shoot me in the foot.
Bunnykid68
Grandmaster
How to say this? Mr. Frost's wife has all the features on her face arranged in a most pleasant pattern.
You werent looking at her face
Titanium_Frost
Grandmaster
See why I OC? ROFL
Hoosierdood
Grandmaster
?How about the concession area at the zoo? That place has been pretty quiet lately.
Titanium_Frost
Grandmaster
Titanium_Frost
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Titanium_Frost
Grandmaster
When we go out, I'm really surprised anyone notices me at all...
LanceRobbins24
Marksman
Ok, I'm still new but maybe you might find what I have to say interesting, or, maybe not. For someone pushing 50, I'm a convert or sorts, a fairly new enthusiast. I've never been anti-gun, per se, but I haven't really been pro-gun either, and had always opposed OC. Now as a gun owner, I prefer CC and never OC in public, but I support responsible people's right to do so if they choose. What changed my mind about guns was seeing gun enthusiasts as normal people and I'll explain how that happened in a bit.
But first, I'll say what didn't contribute to my new enthusiasm about guns. In-your-face demonstrations had nothing to do with it. Others have suggested that it helped gay rights so it can help OC. Well I doubt that. I think "gayness" became more accepted despite their demonstrations rather than because of it. Demonstrating, especially in favor of something that isn't already accepted, really doesn't come off to the opposition as normal. It mostly serves to 1) be a rallying cry to likeminded individuals to join the cause so they can gain political clout, and 2) show politicians that they have enough support to be a political force. But it doesn't do all that much to change public opinion.
Second, gayness became more accepted because 1) normal-ish seeming people promoted the lifestyle as normal and harmless--made it seem more acceptable, 2) it rode the tide of political correctness and all the mass media support that comes with that, and 3) for at least the last 15 years, many schools, especially in larger cities, have taught kids that it's normal. Kids grow up, become tomorrow's leaders, and act on their beliefs.
So don't count on borrowing all the plays from the gay rights movement because OC is a completely different game. You're not going to ride the tide of Political Correctness, which is really just trendy liberalism. OC can't ever be PC so the media will mostly be against you. Also, unless like-minded individuals take over the NEA, sufficient numbers of teachers will never even hint OC as normal or acceptable, so you can't as efficiently futurize OC into tomorrow's leaders.
That leaves normal-ish seeming people promoting OC in a non-confrontational way. "It's my right, and I'll OC anywhere and anytime I want", comes off as confrontational. The ONLY way OC could ever be accepted (and frankly I doubt it will happen) is if most people believe it's normal and harmless.
You-tube, of all things convinced me that guns are not just okay, but really fun. I wanted to see some reviews on an air-soft gun for my son and happened to hit on some shooting videos. Most of the videos gave me a glimpse of normal seeming people having fun with firearms. Then I happened upon Hickok45's channel. I saw him as a down to earth, safety conscious, well versed, normal guy. He demonstrated such a joy of shooting that was so contagious I eventually ended up as a gun enthusiast and owner. Heaven only knows how many new gun enthusiasts he's helped discover a new passion.
Most people see "gun people" in the typical stereotype, forgive me because I did. When most people encounter Bubba out in public demonstrating the large chip he has on his shoulder along with the Glock strapped to his side, it just confirms what they already thought. But worse, since they've now personally encountered the embodiment of all they believe about gun owners, they call their legislators and demand that something be done. You have to care what people think sometimes. That's just practical. You want people to have an accurate opinion about you so that they don't muck things up because of wrong opinions.
What may help change public opinion best is for good people to demonstrate goodness while OCing. It probably won't help the hardened liberal come around, but the trash cleanup seems like a good idea. Whatever you do in your interactions with people, demonstrate that you're not kooky, that you're not some nutjob with a gun, that you're not carrying to intimidate people, or just because it's you're right. I read a quote that Mass Ayoob related in one of his books, "I carry a gun because I can't carry a police officer". That's just reasonable. If you believe that OC gives you an advantage over CC, and that you carry at all is because you want to be able to protect those around you should there be a threat, that seems very reasonable. Normal even.
But first, I'll say what didn't contribute to my new enthusiasm about guns. In-your-face demonstrations had nothing to do with it. Others have suggested that it helped gay rights so it can help OC. Well I doubt that. I think "gayness" became more accepted despite their demonstrations rather than because of it. Demonstrating, especially in favor of something that isn't already accepted, really doesn't come off to the opposition as normal. It mostly serves to 1) be a rallying cry to likeminded individuals to join the cause so they can gain political clout, and 2) show politicians that they have enough support to be a political force. But it doesn't do all that much to change public opinion.
Second, gayness became more accepted because 1) normal-ish seeming people promoted the lifestyle as normal and harmless--made it seem more acceptable, 2) it rode the tide of political correctness and all the mass media support that comes with that, and 3) for at least the last 15 years, many schools, especially in larger cities, have taught kids that it's normal. Kids grow up, become tomorrow's leaders, and act on their beliefs.
So don't count on borrowing all the plays from the gay rights movement because OC is a completely different game. You're not going to ride the tide of Political Correctness, which is really just trendy liberalism. OC can't ever be PC so the media will mostly be against you. Also, unless like-minded individuals take over the NEA, sufficient numbers of teachers will never even hint OC as normal or acceptable, so you can't as efficiently futurize OC into tomorrow's leaders.
That leaves normal-ish seeming people promoting OC in a non-confrontational way. "It's my right, and I'll OC anywhere and anytime I want", comes off as confrontational. The ONLY way OC could ever be accepted (and frankly I doubt it will happen) is if most people believe it's normal and harmless.
You-tube, of all things convinced me that guns are not just okay, but really fun. I wanted to see some reviews on an air-soft gun for my son and happened to hit on some shooting videos. Most of the videos gave me a glimpse of normal seeming people having fun with firearms. Then I happened upon Hickok45's channel. I saw him as a down to earth, safety conscious, well versed, normal guy. He demonstrated such a joy of shooting that was so contagious I eventually ended up as a gun enthusiast and owner. Heaven only knows how many new gun enthusiasts he's helped discover a new passion.
Most people see "gun people" in the typical stereotype, forgive me because I did. When most people encounter Bubba out in public demonstrating the large chip he has on his shoulder along with the Glock strapped to his side, it just confirms what they already thought. But worse, since they've now personally encountered the embodiment of all they believe about gun owners, they call their legislators and demand that something be done. You have to care what people think sometimes. That's just practical. You want people to have an accurate opinion about you so that they don't muck things up because of wrong opinions.
What may help change public opinion best is for good people to demonstrate goodness while OCing. It probably won't help the hardened liberal come around, but the trash cleanup seems like a good idea. Whatever you do in your interactions with people, demonstrate that you're not kooky, that you're not some nutjob with a gun, that you're not carrying to intimidate people, or just because it's you're right. I read a quote that Mass Ayoob related in one of his books, "I carry a gun because I can't carry a police officer". That's just reasonable. If you believe that OC gives you an advantage over CC, and that you carry at all is because you want to be able to protect those around you should there be a threat, that seems very reasonable. Normal even.
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