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There is no law forbidding carry at college campuses.
This got me thinking...If there is a state-licensed daycare on a college campus or within a hospital...are we then prevented from carrying on those properties?...
There is no law forbidding carry at college campuses.
Correct. You may not carry on the same property as a (licensed) daycare.This got me thinking...If there is a state-licensed daycare on a college campus or within a hospital...are we then prevented from carrying on those properties?...
Correct. You may not carry on the same property as a (licensed) daycare.
In my opinion, that does not make an ENTIRE campus off limits. Just the location of the daycare (physical address - building and adjoining property).
Bill of Rights - are you aware of the new exclusions to the definition of "proper person" under Ind Code 35-47-1-7? As a new law in 2011 (taking effect July 1), I think they should be included here.
A proper person means a person who:
"(11) has not been involuntarily committed,other than a temporary commitment for observation or evaluation, to a mental institution by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority;
(12) has not been the subject of a:
(A) ninety (90) day commitment as a result of a proceeding under IC 12-26-6; or
(B) regular commitment under IC 12-26-7; or
(13) has not been found by a court to be mentally incompetent, including being found:
(A) not guilty by reason of insanity;
(B) guilty but mentally ill; or
(C) incompetent to stand trial."
Ind. Code §35-47-1-7
Ok so I can have my gun(s) in my vehicle at work, BUT, can they in any way or under any circumstance require I allow them to inspect where and how in order to see if it is done in accordance with the law?
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They can look in the car through the windows and they can tug on the handles to ensure the car is locked, but that's no different than anyone else. Of course, if they enter the car or even open it, I'd think they'd be exposing themselves to any charge you wanted to (truthfully) make of any missing property.
The law only specifies that the ammo or firearm must be in the glovebox or trunk, or it must be stored out of plain sight, and that the vehicle must be locked. That said, there is nothing in the law that prevents them from firing you for any reason or no reason other than firearm-related (as specified under that law) It would not be difficult for an employer to say that they want to search your vehicle because of missing office supplies, and if you refuse to allow the search, you may seek employment elsewhere. You will play hell proving that the actual reason isn't that they want to search for guns.
No, they cannot force you to allow the search. You always have the choice to refuse, but they have the choice whether to continue employing you as well.
Hope this helps!
Blessings,
Bill
I don't think there's much you can do, no, but one suggestion I'll make is to check the Break Room on here; there is a thread where you can post your skills and see if anyone is looking for someone to do a job for them. I'd give you the link, but that's easier to do on a real computer rather than my iPod.Thanks Bill!!!
I understand they can fire me at will, but since I was fired specifically for not complying with an inspection of where and how my guns were stored inside my vehicle I was curious if there was anything I could do about it other than looking for a new job? But it doesnt sound like it...
I don't think there's much you can do, no, but one suggestion I'll make is to check the Break Room on here; there is a thread where you can post your skills and see if anyone is looking for someone to do a job for them. I'd give you the link, but that's easier to do on a real computer rather than my iPod.
Good luck!
Blessings,
Bill
First, I am an Ohio resident with an Ohio CHL. I work for a firm with HQ in [Northern IN] and another Indianapolis branch. I understand that an employer cannot enforce rules against having a firearm stored in an employee's vehicle on their lot. Can the law compel the employer to remove language from the policy manual that restricts employees from doing this?
The Rules of Conduct contained within the Policy Manual for the company I work for list various "items which are deemed sufficient cause for disciplinary action" such as, "possession of dangerous or unauthorized materials, such as... or firearms on [redacted] premises".
When Governor Mitch signed the parking lot bill into law, I had an offline discussion with some folks who should have been able to enact changes, the result of which was nothing. Basically I was told that the new law doesn't affect me. Well, I do occasionally visit the Indy office and I know that NOBODY is going to get me to open my vehicle for inspection without a warrant.
I am confident that I can weigh the potential consequences and make my own decision about whether or not to be armed on the way to and from work, but I don't like the fact that my employer thinks they can leave a rule on the books that threatens disciplinary action.
I'm not sure I would pursue civil action unless I was fired (or disciplined) for a breach. Does the law have any teeth to compel stubborn employers to make policy revisions?
Foregive me for asking a silly question, but are all hospitals now prohibited? Seems I seen something on the news last summer that they now forbid the carry of weapons in "Hospitals".The legislature is not permitted to write laws in that manner, IIRC. that's why they had the language that was removed that talked about "any county with a first-class city", knowing fully well that there is only one such county in the state. To answer your question, the part of the new law that specified "a hospital containing a locked unit guarded 24/7 by law-enforcement officers" or however it was written is specific to Wishard, but the law can't be that specific.
I don't know if Howard Community hospital falls into the category of one of the provisions for county- and/or city-owned hospitals that are still allowed to have those rules. If the rules do exist in such a place, that's all they are is rules, not ordinances or laws. Nonetheless, I'd recommend following them or going elsewhere.
Standard disclaimers apply: IANAL, IDPOOTV, IDSIAHIELN, and TINLA.
Blessings,
Bill
Foregive me for asking a silly question, but are all hospitals now prohibited? Seems I seen something on the news last summer that they now forbid the carry of weapons in "Hospitals".