Last time I OC in LPD-land

[ATM]

I was in the right, but I don't think I will neccessarily be OCing all over the place anymore, because there are idiots out there that want to destroy our right to bear just because they are uncomfortable looking at something that is completley harmless in competent hands.

They won't get more comfortable without seeing it more.

Most idiots can be conditioned through repetition - that's how most of them became such idiots in the first place.

Glad you got some resolution.

 

[LawDog76]

you wouldn't happen to be that fella with the sweet mossberg, would ya? Or was this a different shoot?

Yep, that was me.

 

[Vic_Mackey]

Yep, that was me.

Ah, that's what I thought. That was a good time man, I am most certaintly coming back for the classes, can't ever have enough training.

 

[LawDog76]

Ah, that's what I thought. That was a good time man, I am most certaintly coming back for the classes, can't ever have enough training.

It's a nice place to shoot. I took their 4 hour training class for $50 and was re-qualified with my duty weapon. They even supplied the ammo for the range test. I don't know if they do it for everybody but the group I went through it with was also told we could come out and use the range when ever we wanted. We were asked to call first to make sure there wasn't a class going on when we wanted to shoot. We also needed to sign in and out in the range house and leave a note for any damage we may of found or accidentally caused. They also supply targets, hearing, and eye protection. There is a donation jar in the range house to help the owners pay for the targets.

 

[rhino]

They won't get more comfortable without seeing it more.

Most idiots can be conditioned through repetition - that's how most of them became such idiots in the first place.

Glad you got some resolution.

Inculcation!

 

[ATM]

Inculcation!

Are you threatening me?

 

[Mike_Indy]

Any report on a meeting with LPD?

 

[ATM]

Any report on a meeting with LPD?

see post #98.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

but I don't think I will neccessarily be OCing all over the place anymore, because there are idiots out there that want to destroy our right to bear just because they are uncomfortable looking at something that is completley harmless in competent hands.

One may be fearful or unwilling to deal with fools, but I think it is important not to allow a "heckler's veto" occur for open carrying.

If we stop carrying because others around us object to our civil rights, then we lose that right.

In order to keep it the land of the free, one has to be brave.

 

[Tripp11]

Well, I am pleased to say that I have met with them. It was very polite and informal, and good points were made. I can't go in to detail about everything, but I can assure you that it will NOT happen again. Everyone learned a lesson, even me, on proper protocols on what to do and what not to do. I was in the right, but I don't think I will neccessarily be OCing all over the place anymore, because there are idiots out there that want to destroy our right to bear just because they are uncomfortable looking at something that is completley harmless in competent hands. I might be uncomfortable looking at his/her goat smelling a**, but that's the beauty of our country, we have the right to think that way. I learned that an off duty officer had been stopped for similar reasons because an anti didn't like looking at his glock. It happens, and the most we can do is be mindful of the morons that are around us.

Just to summarize:

1) You were OC'ing and breaking no law.
2) LPD, not in uniform, approached your vehicle and put his gun to your head.
3) LPD got you out of the car and slammed you on the hood of your car.
4) LPD removed your handgun and broke your holster.
5) LPD verbally ridiculed you and told you that you can't OC under State law (which isn't true).

With all of the above, you feel that in someway you were partially (implied by your quote below) to blame and now will pick/choose when you OC because "I don't think I will neccessarily be OCing all over the place anymore, because there are idiots out there that want to destroy our right to bear just because they are uncomfortable looking at something that is completley harmless in competent hands."

You were not to blame at all.

You OC'ing was not to blame at all.

The LPD officer who put his gun to your head, slammed you on the hood of your car, removed your firearm, broke your holster, and gave you incorrect State law information IS to blame and should be held accountable for his actions; however, it doesn't sound like that happened at all from your recap of the meeting with LPD.

BTW, I am NOT being a prick with my post...I'm just trying to fully comprehend what position LPD took during your meeting and also wondering if the LPD officer was held accountable for his actions.

 

[Ironjaw's-wife]

well I made it over to crystal flash today, i did wear an open jacket cause i was cold. but you could tell i was carrying nothing happened no cops chased me down or anything....

 

[Mike_Indy]

Ok, missed post #98.

Similar to Tripp, why the change of mind on OC in the area? What excuse/correction addressed the way they handled it? Also not trying to bust you, but I don't, based on info avail, see what you did wrong or justified in any way the way the PPD handled it.

 

[Vic_Mackey]

hahaha. I was actually just there on my lunch break OCing, but I was in uniform. If that picture is you, I do believe I have seen you in there quite a few times. Can't miss me, 6'6 with long hair and a beard, and a .45 on my side.

I would say I am 1% to blame, I was a bit "aggressive" to the cop, which brought more cops and more stress, which resulted in this stupid incident going further than just two of them. The officer is being dealt with, how I am not entirely sure, but I was told there is going to be some re-reenforcement training. Either way, the point was made that there are people out here that do know their laws and refuse to sit idly by and let them be twisted out of context, and that these people are taking notice and names. And badge numbers if ya can! lol

 

[Mike_Indy]

Vic, thanks for the added info. I'll watch for you next time I'm fueling up in the area.

 

[Ironjaw's-wife]

yep that's me in the pic! i'd be the short chick with a .45 on my hip..lol

 

[Tripp11]

Vic, thanks for the added info.

+1

 

[jon5212]

OP I would have been equally "aggressive" with a prick like that plain clothes officer was from your description. If he had been alone he may have found himself dead on the pavement for making a gross error in judgement, and you know you'd be the one sitting in jail for killing a police officer that happened to make a BIG mistake. I feel no pity what so ever for the officer and others involved. Maybe that is a bit harsh, but reality has to come into play at some point. The officers on power trips really need to learn they are NOT our masters.

 

[henktermaat]

Vic, you were 100% in the right. There is no need to change your behaviors one iota.

 

[lashicoN]

 

[rambone]

DISCLAIMER:
** I am not picking on anyone in this thread. Just disgusted with socialist utopia we live in. **

We're not all like that... There are a handful of jackasses in every industry, everywhere. Unfortunately, people remember the bad encounters before the good encounters.
If you think hearing about the D-bags that pull these stunts that are borderline unconstitutional is bad, you should try working with them.
This story pisses me off too, but I urge you to consider two things:
As a general rule, the police are not against you or your rights.
And, in this instance, we are only hearing one side of the story. There are always two sides. In my experience, the "absolute truth" lies somewhere in the middle.

Borderline unconstitutional? Bahahahaha. "The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." The laws that police enforce regarding weapons are NOT EVEN REMOTELY constitutional.

Police get paid to infringe the right to bear arms. If that wasn't true, then there would be any such thing as an "illegal weapon," or a "license to carry," or a "registered firearm," or a even method of carry that might be construed as legal or illegal.

Cops don't get that anti-gun mentality because they've been studying the constitution they are obligated to protect. They could always choose to selectively enforce only laws that weren't blatant violations of the Bill of Rights, but I have not heard much of that.

The constitution dies a little bit with every person who goes to jail - or even gets harassed - for having a gun, minding his own business... having done nothing... having zero motive... having zero intent... having hurt no one... This happens day-in, and day-out. It is part of the job description to violate the 2nd Amendment.

** Again, comments not directed at anyone, but this is the brutally honest truth.

Just to summarize:

1) You were OC'ing and breaking no law.
2) LPD, not in uniform, approached your vehicle and put his gun to your head.
3) LPD got you out of the car and slammed you on the hood of your car.
4) LPD removed your handgun and broke your holster.
5) LPD verbally ridiculed you and told you that you can't OC under State law (which isn't true).

With all of the above, you feel that in someway you were partially (implied by your quote below) to blame and now will pick/choose when you OC because "I don't think I will neccessarily be OCing all over the place anymore, because there are idiots out there that want to destroy our right to bear just because they are uncomfortable looking at something that is completley harmless in competent hands."

You were not to blame at all.

You OC'ing was not to blame at all.

The LPD officer who put his gun to your head, slammed you on the hood of your car, removed your firearm, broke your holster, and gave you incorrect State law information IS to blame and should be held accountable for his actions; however, it doesn't sound like that happened at all from your recap of the meeting with LPD.

BTW, I am NOT being a prick with my post...I'm just trying to fully comprehend what position LPD took during your meeting and also wondering if the LPD officer was held accountable for his actions.

I share your sentiments. The outcome is very disappointing. If I had a gun put to my head for no reason, I would expect more than a slap on the wrist for the thug who did it, no matter who writes his checks.

Is there no justice?

I would say I am 1% to blame, I was a bit "aggressive" to the cop, which brought more cops and more stress, which resulted in this stupid incident going further than just two of them. The officer is being dealt with, how I am not entirely sure, but I was told there is going to be some re-reenforcement training. Either way, the point was made that there are people out here that do know their laws and refuse to sit idly by and let them be twisted out of context, and that these people are taking notice and names. And badge numbers if ya can! lol

If I was out renting videos and I got held up by some punks with guns and attitudes, I would be a little bit peeved too.

They refuse to sit idly by? How many of them sat idly by until your Sergeant friend came and fixed the problem - because he knew you? The rest just went along with it. Must be routine to infringe on the right to keep and bear arms.

One of the SGTs that came out knew me and was like "wtf are you doing?" and I told him what happened and what this POS cop told me. He looked at the guy and called him a moron and then THEN the uni handed me my weapon and holster back WITH THE BULLETS!!!

Now they pat you on the head and send you on your way... and that same guy with no business on the street will continue to push his thuglike version of the law. PUTTING A GUN TO SOMEONE'S HEAD IS NOT AN INNOCENT MISTAKE. Try doing that without a get-out-of-jail-free badge.


Would a measly civilian get to go to TRAINING if he had a bad shoot or put a gun to a person's head, who was minding his own business?? FAT CHANCE. And such a civilian would not have ALREADY BEEN TRAINED ONCE about such behavior. Yet a thug cop like this one gets another chance at training. Maybe it will make a difference this time.