Perhaps we should define originalist, because I really think it wouldn't be palatable to most Americans today- conservative nor liberal. Can you set some parameters?
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Perhaps we should define originalist, because I really think it wouldn't be palatable to most Americans today- conservative nor liberal. Can you set some parameters?
Perhaps we should define originalist, because I really think it wouldn't be palatable to most Americans today- conservative nor liberal. Can you set some parameters?
I think you are wrong. We have an amendment process. It has been used. An originalist believes that you interpret the constitution the way it would have been understood when it was ratified. They also believe that if you want a different result, you amend it.
^^^ This.I think you are wrong. We have an amendment process. It has been used. An originalist believes that you interpret the constitution the way it would have been understood when it was ratified. They also believe that if you want a different result, you amend it.
"(W)hen a strict interpretation of the Constitution ... is abandoned, and the theoretical opinions of individuals are allowed to control its meaning, we have no longer a Constitution; we are under the government of individual men, who for the time being have power to declare what the Constitution is, according to their own views of what it ought to mean."
— Supreme Court Justice Benjamin Curtiss, March 6, 1857, dissenting from the Dred Scott ruling that slaves were property
I think you are wrong. We have an amendment process. It has been used. An originalist believes that you interpret the constitution the way it would have been understood when it was ratified. They also believe that if you want a different result, you amend it.
Ok, I want to clarify this thinking as I don't know if I disagree or not.
Under Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution "The Congress shall have the power to... coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin..."
Does "originalist" thinking mean that we would have to amend the Constitution to print money instead of coining it? To my thinking an entirely too strict interpretation would be that we could not print money on paper, but I can see that viewpoint. I just don't agree with it. I would interpret the meaning as basically "Congress controls the currency of the United States" and can stamp coins AND print money. I don't believe it goes beyond currency.
I do know that there are some people that believe our current paper money is unconstitutional due to an extremely (I believe overly) strict interpretation.
So is this "originalist" thinking or not?
Thanks,
Doug
Would'nt "coining money" be a representation in term of the production of whatever currency existed at the time like Hough suggests?
"Anti-Roe" does not necessarily mean anti-abortion...it could be. Anti-Roe also means you believe that the court made its decision on faulty grounds. I am anti-Roe in that light. I am anti-abortion on other points as you and I have discussed a few times.
RvW was mentioned, and I answered with that example. Let me be more clear- RvW, 10A, guns, pro-, anti-, whatever, is not what I care about. I want someone on the Bench that reads the words, puts them in the context they were intended, and gives a ruling based on that. It's not about Roe. It's about the Constitutionality of whatever issue they grant cert to hear.
Ok, I want to clarify this thinking as I don't know if I disagree or not.
Under Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution "The Congress shall have the power to... coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin..."
Does "originalist" thinking mean that we would have to amend the Constitution to print money instead of coining it? To my thinking an entirely too strict interpretation would be that we could not print money on paper, but I can see that viewpoint. I just don't agree with it. I would interpret the meaning as basically "Congress controls the currency of the United States" and can stamp coins AND print money. I don't believe it goes beyond currency.
I do know that there are some people that believe our current paper money is unconstitutional due to an extremely (I believe overly) strict interpretation.
So is this "originalist" thinking or not?
Thanks,
Doug
Ok, I want to clarify this thinking as I don't know if I disagree or not.
Under Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution "The Congress shall have the power to... coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin..."
Does "originalist" thinking mean that we would have to amend the Constitution to print money instead of coining it? To my thinking an entirely too strict interpretation would be that we could not print money on paper, but I can see that viewpoint. I just don't agree with it. I would interpret the meaning as basically "Congress controls the currency of the United States" and can stamp coins AND print money. I don't believe it goes beyond currency.
I do know that there are some people that believe our current paper money is unconstitutional due to an extremely (I believe overly) strict interpretation.
So is this "originalist" thinking or not?
Thanks,
Doug
See Essay on Colonial Scrip. Alexander Hamilton-(1755-1804) Founded the first central bank in the United States. International bankers saw that interest-free scrip would keep America free of their influence, so by 1781 banker-backed Alexander Hamilton succeeded in starting the Bank of America. After a few years of "bank money", the prosperity of "Colonial Scrip" was gone. Benjamin Franklin said, "Conditions were so reversed that the era of prosperity had ended and a depression set in to such an extent that the streets of the Colonies were filled with the unemployed!" Bank money was like our FED money. It had debt and interest attached. By 1790 Hamilton and his bankers had created a privately owned central bank and converted the public debt (interest-free) into interest bearing bonds, payable to the bankers. When Hamilton's bank charter expired in 1811, the international bankers started the war of 1812. By 1816, another privately-owned U.S. bank was started with $35 million in assets - only $7 million of that was owned by the government. This bank lasted for 20 years. U.S. history shows that currency with debt and interest attached created a depression. {Alexander Hamilton was killed in a duel, in 1804 by Aaron Burr, a British Sympathizer.} Napoleon Bonaparte-(1769-1821) Emperor of France(1804-1815) Had a free hand in Europe as long as he borrowed from the Bank of Rothschilds. When he quit borrowing he was attacked by the English. Napoleon, a sympathizer for the international bankers, turned against them in the last years of his rule. He said: "When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes... Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain." Andrew Jackson, 7th U.S. President, 1829-1824 When the 1816 charter expired in 1836, Andrew Jackson vetoed its renewal. See Jackson's Veto Message to Congress It was then that he made two famous statements: "The Bank is trying to kill me - but I will kill it!" Later he said "If the American people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system - there would be a revolution before morning..." Abraham Lincoln-(1809-1865) the 16th President of the U.S.-Assassinated while in Office. In his First Inaugural Address, Lincoln made a point to discuss the role of Capital and Labor. Significant national issues were, at that time, in the first official speech, immediately after a Presidential Election. Lincoln spoke on finances and government: "In his First Annual Message to Congress, December 3, 1861, Abraham Lincoln stated: "Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed, if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other rights." President Lincoln needed money to finance the Civil War, and the international bankers offered him loans at 24-36% interest. Lincoln balked at their demands because he didn't want to plunge the nation into such a huge debt. Lincoln approached Congress about passing a law to authorize the printing of U.S. Treasury Notes. Lincoln said "We gave the people of this Republic the greatest blessing they ever had - their own paper money to pay their debts..." Lincoln printed over 400 million "Greenbacks" (debt and interest-free) and paid the soldiers, U.S. government employees, and bought war supplies. The international bankers didn't like it and wanted Lincoln to borrow the money from them, so that the American people would owe tremendous interest on the loan. Lincoln's solution made this seem ridiculous. Shortly after Lincoln's death, the government revoked the Greenback law which ended Lincoln's debt-free, interest-free money. A new national banking act was enacted and all currency became interest-bearing, debt instruments, again. James A. Garfield-(1831-1881) 20th President of the United States. Assassinated in Office. President James A. Garfield said: "Whoever controls the money in any country is absolute master of industry [legislation] and commerce". Louis T. McFadden,-Chairman of the House Banking Committee-(1928-1935) After two attempts on his life in 1933-1934, McFadden died "mysteriously" in 1935. See His Comments in the Essay on Colonial Scrip. John F. Kennedy -(1917-1963)-35th President of the United States- Assassinated in Office. On June 4, 1963, President Kennedy issued Executive Order 11110. This Executive Order called for the issuance of new currency - the United States Note. At the time, $4,292,893 of this currency was put into circulation. This new currency was to be distributed through the U.S. Treasury and not the Federal Reserve System. Furthermore, it was to be issued debt and interest-free. Upon Kennedy's assassination, this currency was withdrawn from circulation, never to be issued again. See Kennedy Solution Return to The Subject Index of the Monetary System Page. Return to UWSA Money Page. |
See Essay on Colonial Scrip. Alexander Hamilton-(1755-1804) Founded the first central bank in the United States. International bankers saw that interest-free scrip would keep America free of their influence, so by 1781 banker-backed Alexander Hamilton succeeded in starting the Bank of America. After a few years of "bank money", the prosperity of "Colonial Scrip" was gone. Benjamin Franklin said, "Conditions were so reversed that the era of prosperity had ended and a depression set in to such an extent that the streets of the Colonies were filled with the unemployed!" Bank money was like our FED money. It had debt and interest attached. By 1790 Hamilton and his bankers had created a privately owned central bank and converted the public debt (interest-free) into interest bearing bonds, payable to the bankers. When Hamilton's bank charter expired in 1811, the international bankers started the war of 1812. By 1816, another privately-owned U.S. bank was started with $35 million in assets - only $7 million of that was owned by the government. This bank lasted for 20 years. U.S. history shows that currency with debt and interest attached created a depression. {Alexander Hamilton was killed in a duel, in 1804 by Aaron Burr, a British Sympathizer.} Napoleon Bonaparte-(1769-1821) Emperor of France(1804-1815) Had a free hand in Europe as long as he borrowed from the Bank of Rothschilds. When he quit borrowing he was attacked by the English. Napoleon, a sympathizer for the international bankers, turned against them in the last years of his rule. He said: "When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes... Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain." Andrew Jackson, 7th U.S. President, 1829-1824 When the 1816 charter expired in 1836, Andrew Jackson vetoed its renewal. See Jackson's Veto Message to Congress It was then that he made two famous statements: "The Bank is trying to kill me - but I will kill it!" Later he said "If the American people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system - there would be a revolution before morning..." Abraham Lincoln-(1809-1865) the 16th President of the U.S.-Assassinated while in Office. In his First Inaugural Address, Lincoln made a point to discuss the role of Capital and Labor. Significant national issues were, at that time, in the first official speech, immediately after a Presidential Election. Lincoln spoke on finances and government: "In his First Annual Message to Congress, December 3, 1861, Abraham Lincoln stated: "Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed, if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other rights." President Lincoln needed money to finance the Civil War, and the international bankers offered him loans at 24-36% interest. Lincoln balked at their demands because he didn't want to plunge the nation into such a huge debt. Lincoln approached Congress about passing a law to authorize the printing of U.S. Treasury Notes. Lincoln said "We gave the people of this Republic the greatest blessing they ever had - their own paper money to pay their debts..." Lincoln printed over 400 million "Greenbacks" (debt and interest-free) and paid the soldiers, U.S. government employees, and bought war supplies. The international bankers didn't like it and wanted Lincoln to borrow the money from them, so that the American people would owe tremendous interest on the loan. Lincoln's solution made this seem ridiculous. Shortly after Lincoln's death, the government revoked the Greenback law which ended Lincoln's debt-free, interest-free money. A new national banking act was enacted and all currency became interest-bearing, debt instruments, again. James A. Garfield-(1831-1881) 20th President of the United States. Assassinated in Office. President James A. Garfield said: "Whoever controls the money in any country is absolute master of industry [legislation] and commerce". Louis T. McFadden,-Chairman of the House Banking Committee-(1928-1935) After two attempts on his life in 1933-1934, McFadden died "mysteriously" in 1935. See His Comments in the Essay on Colonial Scrip. John F. Kennedy -(1917-1963)-35th President of the United States- Assassinated in Office. On June 4, 1963, President Kennedy issued Executive Order 11110. This Executive Order called for the issuance of new currency - the United States Note. At the time, $4,292,893 of this currency was put into circulation. This new currency was to be distributed through the U.S. Treasury and not the Federal Reserve System. Furthermore, it was to be issued debt and interest-free. Upon Kennedy's assassination, this currency was withdrawn from circulation, never to be issued again. See Kennedy Solution Return to The Subject Index of the Monetary System Page. Return to UWSA Money Page. |
Napoleon Bonaparte-(1769-1821) Emperor of France(1804-1815)
Had a free hand in Europe as long as he borrowed from the Bank of Rothschilds. When he quit borrowing he was attacked by the English. Napoleon, a sympathizer for the international bankers, turned against them in the last years of his rule. He said: "When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes... Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain."