Is it worth the hassle to carry?

[2A_Tom]

This point is made with every 1500 and I still don't understand it. The situations aren't the same at all. Where else do you have thousands of people handling guns at the same time, too often pointing them at others because there really isn't a safe direction? It seems that about every second 1500 has a ND even with the no live carry rule because some people think that the rule really doesn't apply to them. I'd hate to think how many NDs they would have if everyone was carrying live. When we carry loaded guns outside the 1500, we aren't continuously handling them. In fact they only leave your holster in case of emergency, at the range or to put away at night.

SO, What exactly is your point. I carry loaded into every place that I go even gun shops. My pistol never leaves the safety of my holster. So where does my ND come from?

 

[pudly]

SO, What exactly is your point. I carry loaded into every place that I go even gun shops. My pistol never leaves the safety of my holster. So where does my ND come from?

Where did I say that I could point to the individual who would have an ND? The point is that the gun show is a prime environment for it and someone will have an accident. It has happened time and again and always to those who think they know better.

 

[wildddw]

SO, What exactly is your point. I carry loaded into every place that I go even gun shops. My pistol never leaves the safety of my holster. So where does my ND come from?

not to keep the fight going or anything but I believe you have to understand the difference in the mindset of individuals. Just as you said "my pistol never leaves the safety of my holster." Where does the ND come from? It comes from the jackass who is testing a holster out with a loaded gun. The guy who pulls it out to show it to someone and has his finger on the trigger. We have all seen people ignore the four rules. Now, for arguments sake, imagine if all the guns at that gun show were loaded. Would you trust everyone who goes to this event every time? Sure most of the fellas on this forum would do fine. But think of all those range ninjas you see when going to the range and then imagine them in a building with thousands of loaded firearms......

 

[LP1]

This point is made with every 1500 and I still don't understand it. The situations aren't the same at all. Where else do you have thousands of people handling guns at the same time, too often pointing them at others because there really isn't a safe direction? It seems that about every second 1500 has a ND even with the no live carry rule because some people think that the rule really doesn't apply to them. I'd hate to think how many NDs they would have if everyone was carrying live. When we carry loaded guns outside the 1500, we aren't continuously handling them. In fact they only leave your holster in case of emergency, at the range or to put away at night.

I'm not suggesting that guns for sale, or those that are brought in for holster shopping, should be loaded. A carry gun should never be "continuously handled"; as you stated, it should only be handled under very specific circumstances. We need more self-policing or active security - if someone is observed removing their gun from it's holster, they should be immediately escorted out of the building. (If someone wants to shop for a holster, how much of a hardship is it to unload the gun and bring it in a box?)

And the observation that we still have ND's despite the "no loaded" rule proves that it doesn't work. Just like criminals ignore GFZs, those who would handle in an unsafe manner will think that the rule doesn't apply to them. This is yet another example of how a "no guns" policy doesn't really make anyone safer.

It IS the same situation and concept - if we want the public to trust us with carrying loaded guns, we need to trust each other.

 

[Snapdragon]

The rule works if it is followed.

 

[Dirtebiker]

Take it, clear it, do not leave it in the car. Thieves paradise out there.

Exactly!
if you take it, deffinitly DO NOT leave it in your car!

 

[Dirtebiker]

This is one of the reasons I haven't been going lately. I hate leaving the mags in the car and carrying empty. Something wrong with a gun show that is anti-gun.

Anything wrong with putting the mag(s) in your pocket?

 

[chezuki]

Seriously guys? Unless you intent to try out holsters or have it worked on, carry on and STFU. This is no different than a Simon Mall rule legally.

 

[2A_Tom]

Oh! Now I understand the first rule at gun shows is there are no loaded guns.


So where do the ND,s come from?

It does not bother me a bit that Hammond Cabelas has a sign saying that I may not unholster.

 

[chezuki]

It does not bother me a bit that Hammond Cabelas has a sign saying that I may not upholster.

Why in the world does the Hammond Cabelas care how cushy your furniture is??

 

[pudly]

A carry gun should never be "continuously handled"; as you stated, it should only be handled under very specific circumstances.

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough. I meant that guns in general are being continuously handled at the 1500, not that any particular gun is.

We need more self-policing or active security - if someone is observed removing their gun from it's holster, they should be immediately escorted out of the building. (If someone wants to shop for a holster, how much of a hardship is it to unload the gun and bring it in a box?)

Not sure about this. Isn't there where zip-ties allow you to carry your gun and still be able to test in a holster or display for selling purposes, etc?

And the observation that we still have ND's despite the "no loaded" rule proves that it doesn't work. Just like criminals ignore GFZs, those who would handle in an unsafe manner will think that the rule doesn't apply to them. This is yet another example of how a "no guns" policy doesn't really make anyone safer.

Sorry, still can't agree with this. Reducing the number of NDs does make people safer. A law or rule is almost never 100% effective, but that doesn't mean that they can't have a positive impact. At least you are acknowledging my original statement that those that think the rules don't apply to them are the problem.

 

[jimbobcooters]

Anything wrong with putting the mag(s) in your pocket?

Thats what I want to know.

 

[Glockfan]

Thats what I want to know.

That's what I always do. I unload outside the doors at the clearing barrels, and throw my mag in my backpack. Walk out the doors when I'm leaving, and reload before my trek back to my vehicle.

 

[2500ekW]

Unless you intend to try out holsters or have it worked on, carry on and STFU.

THIS

 

[aaron580]

Seriously guys? Unless you intent to try out holsters or have it worked on, carry on and STFU. This is no different than a Simon Mall rule legally.

yup

 

[sj kahr k40]

The fairgrounds are in a great part of the city, why bother carrying there, just leave the gun at home or if you need a holster leave the ammo at home

 

[ConcealedCarryCutie]

Ive been on the lookout for more mags, and my taurus g2 has several different magazine types that fit, so i bring it with me to double check i buy one that is compatable, ill leave my full mag in the glove box, out of sight someplace in my vehicle.

 

[billybob44]

ill leave my full mag in the glove box, out of sight someplace in my vehicle.

Ive been on the lookout for more mags, and my taurus g2 has several different magazine types that fit, so i bring it with me to double check i buy one that is compatable, ill leave my full mag in the glove box, out of sight someplace in my vehicle.

Cutie, you will be safer if you clear @ the barrel in front of the door..NOT a real safe area, even in the parking lot..Bill.

 

[2A_Tom]

I don't get it.

Gun free zone zones save lives. That is a given.

So, since no one on this forum wants to see anyone injured at the 1500, why can't we just agree to take all of our unloaded guns there and sell them. It is obviously too dangerous to carry them loaded in public. Too silly to carry them unloaded, duh.

After all that is what the Ukrainians did.

 

[LP1]

I'm always amused when I see someone OCing at the 1500 with an orange zip tie through their gun. It's kinda like turning a bull into a steer.