Is French Lick A Riverboat

[Comp]

So Sunday, I will be going to the french lick casino. I know that weapons are not allowed by law on the riverboat casino but no where can I find a definition of a riverboat casino. So, is it Illegal to carry in the French Lick Casino? I did a search of my own with no results so far, so I thought I would ask my brothers and sisters. Thank you in advance for the replies.

My questions are this:
Is it a riverboat casino?
Where can I find a definition of riverboat casino in indiana law?
Is it illegal to carry in French Lick Casino, I know its against their policy but is it ILLEGAL?

 

[dwh79]

No you can not carry in the casino. It was built to look like a riverboat with a moat but they have changed that now but still not legal to carry a gun into the casino but the hotel and grounds are okay.

 

[Hornett]

Is it a riverboat casino?

It used to be or was planned to be, but the law changed that required casinos to be on water and so now it's not. At one time it looked like a riverboat, but they even built over that so now it's just a casino.

For the rest look here.
https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo..._checked_your_gun_at_an_indiana_casino-3.html
Check out post #21.

 

[timeforchili]

I've been there, they have more than one sign on your way in letting you know your wallet is welcome but your weapon is not...good luck at the tables

 

[drd]

I thought French lick was a botched French kiss, right before the French slap.

 

[DRob]

French Lick

Every casino I've been in (most of them in IN), riverboat or not, have signs prohibiting firearms. Good luck at the casino.

"Indiana is messed up. South Bend is north, North Vernon is south, and French Lick is not at all what I expected!"

Don't even think about Floyds Knobs!

 

[dice dealer]

Every casino I've been in (most of them in IN), riverboat or not, have signs prohibiting firearms. Good luck at the casino.

"Indiana is messed up. South Bend is north, North Vernon is south, and French Lick is not at all what I expected!"

Don't even think about Floyds Knobs!

You should check out Big ball lick , kentucky
It is up near cincy off of I-71

 

[DRob]

Geography

You should check out Big ball lick , kentucky
It is up near cincy off of I-71

I think you must be talking about Big Bone Lick State Park. Just south of the town of Beaverlick! Nobody could make that up! Check the map!

 

[Comp]

Can anyone please cite the law about non riverboats. I am having trouble finding the law regarding land casinos. All I can find so far deals with the riverboat

Weapons on Riverboats
Rule 7. Weapons
68 IAC 1-7-1 Weapons on the riverboat
Authority: IC 4-33-4-1; IC 4-33-4-2; IC 4-33-4-3
Affected: IC 4-33-8; IC 35-41-1-17
Sec. 1. (a) The following definitions apply throughout this rule:
(1) "Federal enforcement officer" has the meaning set forth in 5 U.S.C. 8331 or IC 35-41-1-17,
or both.
(2) "Law enforcement officer" has the meaning set forth in IC 35-41-1-17.
(3) "Security personnel" means an employee of the riverboat licensee or a supplier licensee who:
(A) holds the appropriate level of occupational license under IC 4-33-8 and 68 IAC 2-3; and
(B) is employed in the riverboat licensee's security department or by a supplier licensee that
contractually provides security services to a riverboat licensee.
(b) No individual other than an enforcement agent shall carry a weapon on board the riverboat. A
law enforcement officer or a federal enforcement officer:
(1) whose sole purpose for being on the riverboat is the performance of official duties; and
(2) who has advised the enforcement agent or the commission that the officer will be on board
the riverboat; shall be allowed to carry a weapon on board the riverboat.
(c) The riverboat licensee shall post a sign in a prominent place at the point of passenger ingress
stating, "No weapons are allowed beyond this point. Failure to comply with this rule may result
in the immediate removal from the riverboat, immediate detention by security personnel, the
imposition of civil penalties, or exclusion under IC 4-33.".
(d) The riverboat licensee shall provide a secure place to which patrons do not have access to
store weapons checked by:
(1) patrons;
(2) off duty law enforcement officers; or
(3) off duty federal enforcement officers.
(e) Security personnel may carry a weapon on board the riverboat during times that patrons are
not present.
(Indiana Gaming Commission; 68 IAC 1-7-1; filed Jun 23, 1995, 2:30 p.m.: 18 IR 2649;
readopted filed Oct 15, 2001, 4:34 p.m.: 25 IR 898; filed Dec
18, 2006, 1:16 p.m.: 20070117-IR-068060190FRA)

68 IAC 1-1-79 "Riverboat gambling operation" defined
Authority: IC 4-33-4-1; IC 4-33-4-2; IC 4-33-4-3
Affected: IC 4-33
Sec. 79. "Riverboat gambling operation" means the conducting of gaming and all related activities, including, without
limitation, the purveying of food, beverages, retail goods and services, and transportation on a riverboat and at its support facilities.
(Indiana Gaming Commission; 68 IAC 1-1-79; filed Nov 10, 1994, 11:00 a.m.: 18 IR 478; readopted filed Oct 15, 2001, 4:34 p.m.:
25 IR 898; readopted filed Sep 14, 2007, 1:40 p.m.: 20071003-IR-068070354RFA)

68 IAC 1-1-13.6 "Casino licensee" defined
Authority: IC 4-33-4; IC 4-35-4
Affected: IC 4-33; IC 4-35
Sec. 13.6. "Casino licensee" means any:
(1) riverboat licensee;
(2) operating agent; or
(3) gambling game licensee under IC 4-35.
(Indiana Gaming Commission; 68 IAC 1-1-13.6; filed Dec 15, 2008, 11:29 a.m.: 20090114-IR-068080430FRA)

IC 4-33-6-6
Riverboat requirements
Sec. 6. (a) A riverboat that operates in a county described in IC 4-33-1-1(1) or IC 4-33-1-1(2) must:
(1) have either:
(A) a valid certificate of inspection from the United States Coast Guard for the carrying of at least five hundred (500) passengers; or
(B) a valid certificate of compliance with marine structural and life safety standards determined by the commission; and
(2) be at least one hundred fifty (150) feet in length.
(b) This subsection applies only to a riverboat that operates on the Ohio River. A riverboat must replicate, as nearly as possible, historic Indiana steamboat passenger vessels of the nineteenth century. However, steam propulsion or overnight lodging facilities are not required under this subsection.
As added by P.L.277-1993(ss), SEC.124. Amended by P.L.20-1995, SEC.10; P.L.92-2003, SEC.28; P.L.170-2005, SEC.7.

IC 4-33-2-17
"Riverboat"
Sec. 17. "Riverboat" means either of the following on which lawful gambling is authorized under this article:
(1) A self-propelled excursion boat located in a county described in IC 4-33-1-1(1) or IC 4-33-1-1(2) that complies with IC 4-33-6-6(a).
(2) A vessel located in a historic hotel district.
As added by P.L.277-1993(ss), SEC.124. Amended by P.L.92-2003, SEC.8.




I finally found the definition of riverboat......yes! Ok, so, I am not a lawyer but the way I understand it French Lick does not meet the definition of riverboat. So now, I am still not a lawyer but from what I read, I am guessing that it is not illegal to carry in their casino, however, it is against their policy. Anyone know more then I do and can actually cite the laws to prove me wrong? Thats not a flame me challange, I'm just saying I don't want people to post no but not back it up with the law. I want this thread to be informative because i have never seen a thread here about casino carry law, they all appear to be just opinions based on hearsay.

 

[The Spud]

Can anyone please cite the law about non riverboats. I am having trouble finding the law regarding land casinos. All I can find so far deals with the riverboat

Weapons on Riverboats
Rule 7. Weapons
68 IAC 1-7-1 Weapons on the riverboat
Authority: IC 4-33-4-1; IC 4-33-4-2; IC 4-33-4-3
Affected: IC 4-33-8; IC 35-41-1-17
Sec. 1. (a) The following definitions apply throughout this rule:
(1) "Federal enforcement officer" has the meaning set forth in 5 U.S.C. 8331 or IC 35-41-1-17,
or both.
(2) "Law enforcement officer" has the meaning set forth in IC 35-41-1-17.
(3) "Security personnel" means an employee of the riverboat licensee or a supplier licensee who:
(A) holds the appropriate level of occupational license under IC 4-33-8 and 68 IAC 2-3; and
(B) is employed in the riverboat licensee's security department or by a supplier licensee that
contractually provides security services to a riverboat licensee.
(b) No individual other than an enforcement agent shall carry a weapon on board the riverboat. A
law enforcement officer or a federal enforcement officer:
(1) whose sole purpose for being on the riverboat is the performance of official duties; and
(2) who has advised the enforcement agent or the commission that the officer will be on board
the riverboat; shall be allowed to carry a weapon on board the riverboat.
(c) The riverboat licensee shall post a sign in a prominent place at the point of passenger ingress
stating, "No weapons are allowed beyond this point. Failure to comply with this rule may result
in the immediate removal from the riverboat, immediate detention by security personnel, the
imposition of civil penalties, or exclusion under IC 4-33.".
(d) The riverboat licensee shall provide a secure place to which patrons do not have access to
store weapons checked by:
(1) patrons;
(2) off duty law enforcement officers; or
(3) off duty federal enforcement officers.
(e) Security personnel may carry a weapon on board the riverboat during times that patrons are
not present.
(Indiana Gaming Commission; 68 IAC 1-7-1; filed Jun 23, 1995, 2:30 p.m.: 18 IR 2649;
readopted filed Oct 15, 2001, 4:34 p.m.: 25 IR 898; filed Dec
18, 2006, 1:16 p.m.: 20070117-IR-068060190FRA)

68 IAC 1-1-79 "Riverboat gambling operation" defined
Authority: IC 4-33-4-1; IC 4-33-4-2; IC 4-33-4-3
Affected: IC 4-33
Sec. 79. "Riverboat gambling operation" means the conducting of gaming and all related activities, including, without
limitation, the purveying of food, beverages, retail goods and services, and transportation on a riverboat and at its support facilities.
(Indiana Gaming Commission; 68 IAC 1-1-79; filed Nov 10, 1994, 11:00 a.m.: 18 IR 478; readopted filed Oct 15, 2001, 4:34 p.m.:
25 IR 898; readopted filed Sep 14, 2007, 1:40 p.m.: 20071003-IR-068070354RFA)

68 IAC 1-1-13.6 "Casino licensee" defined
Authority: IC 4-33-4; IC 4-35-4
Affected: IC 4-33; IC 4-35
Sec. 13.6. "Casino licensee" means any:
(1) riverboat licensee;
(2) operating agent; or
(3) gambling game licensee under IC 4-35.
(Indiana Gaming Commission; 68 IAC 1-1-13.6; filed Dec 15, 2008, 11:29 a.m.: 20090114-IR-068080430FRA)

IC 4-33-6-6
Riverboat requirements
Sec. 6. (a) A riverboat that operates in a county described in IC 4-33-1-1(1) or IC 4-33-1-1(2) must:
(1) have either:
(A) a valid certificate of inspection from the United States Coast Guard for the carrying of at least five hundred (500) passengers; or
(B) a valid certificate of compliance with marine structural and life safety standards determined by the commission; and
(2) be at least one hundred fifty (150) feet in length.
(b) This subsection applies only to a riverboat that operates on the Ohio River. A riverboat must replicate, as nearly as possible, historic Indiana steamboat passenger vessels of the nineteenth century. However, steam propulsion or overnight lodging facilities are not required under this subsection.
As added by P.L.277-1993(ss), SEC.124. Amended by P.L.20-1995, SEC.10; P.L.92-2003, SEC.28; P.L.170-2005, SEC.7.

IC 4-33-2-17
"Riverboat"
Sec. 17. "Riverboat" means either of the following on which lawful gambling is authorized under this article:
(1) A self-propelled excursion boat located in a county described in IC 4-33-1-1(1) or IC 4-33-1-1(2) that complies with IC 4-33-6-6(a).
(2) A vessel located in a historic hotel district.
As added by P.L.277-1993(ss), SEC.124. Amended by P.L.92-2003, SEC.8.




I finally found the definition of riverboat......yes! Ok, so, I am not a lawyer but the way I understand it French Lick does not meet the definition of riverboat. So now, I am still not a lawyer but from what I read, I am guessing that it is not illegal to carry in their casino, however, it is against their policy. Anyone know more then I do and can actually cite the laws to prove me wrong? Thats not a flame me challange, I'm just saying I don't want people to post no but not back it up with the law. I want this thread to be informative because i have never seen a thread here about casino carry law, they all appear to be just opinions based on hearsay.

First, I am not a lawyer.

Second, no flame here, but I can see this transforming into a "property rights vs. carry rights" discussion where the casino will exert it's rights as property owner to exclude firearms on its premises. If I am correct in the understanding that signage does not carry the weight of law, then yes you can carry into the casino since it does not qualify as a "riverboat", however expect casino security to ask you to 1) leave the firearm in your vehicle, 2) check the firearm into a secure storage area (if they have one), or 3) leave the casino altogether.

 

[INGunGuy]

You should check out Big ball lick , kentucky
It is up near cincy off of I-71

That's Big BONE Lick, Kentucky

INGunGuy

 

[jbombelli]

Every casino I've been in (most of them in IN), riverboat or not, have signs prohibiting firearms. Good luck at the casino.

"Indiana is messed up. South Bend is north, North Vernon is south, and French Lick is not at all what I expected!"

Don't even think about Floyds Knobs!

So how's Gnaw Bone?

 

[INGunGuy]

How about Monkey's Elbow, KY

INGunGuy

 

[Comp]

First, I am not a lawyer.

Second, no flame here, but I can see this transforming into a "property rights vs. carry rights" discussion where the casino will exert it's rights as property owner to exclude firearms on its premises. If I am correct in the understanding that signage does not carry the weight of law, then yes you can carry into the casino since it does not qualify as a "riverboat", however expect casino security to ask you to 1) leave the firearm in your vehicle, 2) check the firearm into a secure storage area (if they have one), or 3) leave the casino altogether.

I don't want this to transform into property rights vs carry rights. That is not my intention. I just wanted to see if anybody is reading this stuff and understanding it the same way I am or if I am a total retard.

I'm glad you read it the same way I do. I feel less alone and dumb. Anyone else reading this and coming up with the same conclusion?

 

[JR50]

That's Big BONE Lick, Kentucky

INGunGuy

Don't forget Climax, Michigan!

 

[sparkyfender]

You can leave your gun at my house. I live less than two miles from the ex-boat in question.

 

[The Spud]

Don't forget Climax, Michigan!

Or Intercourse, Pennsylvania
Or Dildo, Newfoundland, Canada

 

[Jack Ryan]

So how's Gnaw Bone?

North of Stone Head.

 

[IDCC]

They have a check station/safe for your handgun. I talked to one of the gaming officers there on the phone a couple years and posted his response on ARFCOM. The area is slowly developing. I live 7.5 miles from the casino.

 

[dwh79]

The license it has is based off of a riverboat casino license that was originally meant for a boat on Patoka but the corp of engineers said no. I understand what people are reading but I would not recomend trying it but to each there own. I have a feeling that it will not be looked at as a property rights issue.