irs getting shotguns

[tedbower]

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportu...5aba699e80621d&tab=core&_cview=1&cck=1&au=&ck=

 

[singlestacksig]

its for their armed agents..

"The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) intends to purchase sixty Remington Model 870 Police RAMAC #24587 12 gauge pump-action shotguns for the Criminal Investigation Division. The Remington parkerized shotguns, with fourteen inch barrel, modified choke, Wilson Combat Ghost Ring rear sight and XS4 Contour Bead front sight, Knoxx Reduced Recoil Adjustable Stock, and Speedfeed ribbed black forend, are designated as the only shotguns authorized for IRS duty based on compatibility with IRS existing shotgun inventory, certified armorer and combat training and protocol, maintenance, and parts."

 

[bigg cheese]

There have been some highly publicized events where people won't leave their home and won't pay back taxes, all the while being armed to the teeth. Can't remember where the last one was, but the house was a fortress!

 

[45calibre]

Yes I remember what your talking about. The city had SWAT enter the house and the house was on a hill. The guy had the advantage and began shooting at SWAT with a 300 winchester magnum. I believe he also put steel plating behind the walls in his house.

 

[ocsdor]

Yep, just what this country's forefathers had in mind when creating the free Republic.

 

[rimfire_crazed]

Like it or not, we live in a nation of laws. Those laws need to be enforced, and often times that means an armed conflict. I would much rather those individuals be properly armed to do their job than to have them be mowed down by some crazy who thinks he can get away with not paying his taxes.

 

[shibumiseeker]

Like it or not, we live in a nation of laws. Those laws need to be enforced, and often times that means an armed conflict. I would much rather those individuals be properly armed to do their job than to have them be mowed down by some crazy who thinks he can get away with not paying his taxes.

To a degree I agree with you. But I also feel that the only time that lethal force is justified by a governmental agency is in direct defense of agent's lives, not to enforce laws. Waiting someone out may take time and resources but it's better than killing them because they didn't pay their taxes.

 

[JetGirl]

Like it or not, we live in a nation of laws. Those laws need to be enforced

some crazy who thinks he can get away with not paying his taxes.

Unconstitutional laws should NOT be enforced! *cough*FederalIncomeTax*cough*

 

[rimfire_crazed]

To a degree I agree with you. But I also feel that the only time that lethal force is justified by a governmental agency is in direct defense of agent's lives, not to enforce laws. Waiting someone out may take time and resources but it's better than killing them because they didn't pay their taxes.

I agree 100%. I didn't intend to imply that they're just going out there willy-nilly and executing scofflaws. I only meant that sometimes, doors have to be knocked in, and you never know what is hiding behind them.

As to the legality of the Federal Income tax, I'm not a constitutional scholar and couldn't keep up in that argument if I tried.

 

[tedbower]

Killing people for not paying taxes just don't seem right.

 

[Fletch]

Killing people for not paying taxes just don't seem right.

That's because it ain't.

 

[JetGirl]

As to the legality of the Federal Income tax, I'm not a constitutional scholar and couldn't keep up in that argument if I tried.

Speed version...


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZl6202HJGQ]YouTube - Ron Paul on CNBC 2004 - UnConstitutional Income Tax[/ame]

 

[JetGirl]

This one is actually better...it's the one I was looking for first.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r37Fm7paVjs]YouTube - You don't have to pay Federal Income Tax?[/ame]

 

[qwerty99]

The question here isn't whether force is sometimes needed to enforce laws... the main question (at least in my mind) is why are IRS agents using force? If a law is broken, there are means in place to involve armed/trained LEO's, and I don't think the IRS needs to maintain its own standing army. Unless maybe the auditors are just buying guns for hunting and doing it under this guise so it's tax dedductable (wouldn't that be ironic?).

 

[tedbower]

After watching that video i have a question . If you dont file how do you get your money back because your employer takes it from you , I dont think you can claim exempt like you could many years ago on your w-4. Can anyone explain this ?

 

[JetGirl]

If a law is broken

And right there is the heart of the Federal Income Tax debate.
*IF* a law is broken...
Well, you can't break a law that doesn't exist...now can you?

 

[CarmelHP]

And right there is the heart of the Federal Income Tax debate.
*IF* a law is broken...
Well, you can't break a law that doesn't exist...now can you?

There's already a thread with the wacky tax protestor arguments debunked here.

 

[dross]

And right there is the heart of the Federal Income Tax debate.
*IF* a law is broken...
Well, you can't break a law that doesn't exist...now can you?

On the opting out of SS thread there's a pretty good explanation of this. I hate taxes as much as anyone, but I'd have to put myself in the camp of those who say they are legal and Constitutional.

I think there's a much better argument that much of the spending is unconstitutional.

 

[dross]

I think this could be solved by taking the criminal penalties out of the tax code.

To me, a contract I enter voluntarily has much more moral weight than any taxes I owe. Technically, I can't OWE taxes, since I didn't enter that contract voluntarily. I can't owe taxes, it's just that the law requires me to pay them.

Decriminalize the tax code and let the government go after their money in the same way private business must do it - through the civil courts.

Then they won't need the shotguns.

 

[IndyMonkey]

To a degree I agree with you. But I also feel that the only time that lethal force is justified by a governmental agency is in direct defense of agent's lives, not to enforce laws. Waiting someone out may take time and resources but it's better than killing them because they didn't pay their taxes.

Great post.