Badwolf,
Your sarcasm in response to a simple request to stay within the rules to which you agreed when you joined here is not appreciated.
Quotes from the Founders are fine, depending on their context. You want to talk about what DID happen, no issue. You want to talk about what might happen, questionable. You want to incite things like what did happen to happen again, especially after Paul's (and now my) warning, you can expect that it will be among your last posts here. The Founders of this country did much to obtain our freedom. They sacrificed much as well. One of my personal favorite quotes is, "Posterity, you will never know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in heaven that ever I took half the pains to preserve it." courtesy of Pres. John Adams.
So, sir, I ask you: What use have you made of your freedom, other than rabble-rousing on an internet website? Have you run for public office? Have you printed newsletters? Another quote from Frederick Douglass: "A man's rights rest in three boxes: The ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box." I would humbly correct Mr. Douglass, that they also rest in the soap box and the mail box. You seem to be taking advantage of one of those; do note that the cartridge box is the last of them, not the first, nor even the second.
And in answer to the question of what ATF would do with people all standing outside, armed, during a raid... Let us look to the Whiskey Rebellion for our answer, Posse Comitatus aside, or for a more recent example, look to Waco. How many armed officers and agents would it take to decimate your neighborhood? How long would it take to declare martial law to put down a so-called rebellion?
The Supreme Court has told us that our rights are not absolute; I'm not sure that I agree with that, at least insofar as the Founders' intent, however this is the world we live in, and this is the body our esteemed Founders placed to check the power of the other two branches, which, as Hough pointed out, was actually their own doing in Marbury v. Madison.
There are plenty of places you can talk about various subjects. If the subject is "armed insurrection against the government of the United States of America", this is not one of those places.
I would really rather not sit down in my living room and talk with federal agents. I would like even less to sit down at some government building and talk with them. Don't dismiss this as hyperbole... At least one person associated with this site has caused conversations like that to take place.
Whatever you or I may think, that subject is closed on these boards.
You want to talk about how to avoid it going that far, that might be a better topic, and close enough to your original to possibly satisfy your desire to approach the subject.
Thanks for your help and cooperation.
Blessings,
Bill
Well this is probably not going to be in the same order as your post but here goes.
Sarcasam you say, you can thank my wonderful mother who bless her passed on in 2006 for that and my wonderfully dry sense of humor.
This thread was created to get people thinking of how we have lost our rights over the years & why as I stated in an earlier post the majority of Americans have become spineless & feckless when compared to the earlier generation mentioned. People sit mindlessly in their homes letting the world go by. Part of the discussion with my dad was how the later generations after WWI, WWII, KOREA,VIETNAM came home they were content they had their 2 story house, white picket fense, 2 1/2 kids a car in the drive and a dog in the back yard.... And all I can think of is " don't rock the boat " we have it good.... And my response is ( really ). Those were the generation of apathy. As long as they were comfortable the world was good, so who cares whose in office as long as the status quo was maintained and they could live conformably and their political choices that led us to where we are now show it.... I can only pray to god that future generations can look back on mine and the next few generations and see a turning point. Back to the people. I appreciate your comments in your post that is and was the purpose of this thread( start thinking people, be hypercritical of politicians and government, question authority and do something about it within your skill set that god blessed you with. If its speaking - speak, if its programming - make webpages, if its sewing - make some flags... What ever your calling use it.. To wake people up and get them thinking of what LIBERTIES we have lost as Americans from 1776 to 2016 are we Freer or more enslaved.
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