I Love The Big Brown Truck......And Mark Serbu!!!

[Lars]

The response virtually everyone had while shooting it.

My Buddy James

And the photo that got grafted into my sig

And finally, when can I come over and play?

 

[UncleMike]

Holy crap!!
My Ithaca Stakeout is a handful to shoot.
I'll bet that shorty shoty is just plain vicious.
Mike

 

[XDinmyXJ]

The brown truck brought me some cool stuff the past couple days but that thing is BADASS!!!!!!!

 

[shooter521]

I'll bet that shorty shoty is just plain vicious.

Not at all. Seriously. Here's the gun in full recoil:

And here's bigcraig doing his thing... notice how little the Serbu moves, compared to 40calPUNISHER's .460 S&W...
INGO NFA Day Sept 2009 :: MVI_0132.flv video by shooter521 - Photobucket

 

[UncleMike]

Not at all. Seriously. Here's the gun in full recoil:

And here's bigcraig doing his thing... notice how little the Serbu moves, compared to 40calPUNISHER's .460 S&W...
INGO NFA Day Sept 2009 :: MVI_0132.flv video by shooter521 - Photobucket

You're right.
It doesn't look like that much recoil.
I'm not recoil sensitive but I had to put a Pachmayr Vindicator grip on mine. The hard plastic grip that is standard was Hell on my arthritis.
Or, maybe I'd better stop shooting OO buck and slugs.
Mike

 

[Slow Hand]

I have a like new Remington 12.5" Police Magnum on the way.

OK, now you do suck!! I gotta shoot THAT one!!!

 

[shooter521]

I'm not recoil sensitive but I had to put a Pachmayr Vindicator grip on mine. The hard plastic grip that is standard was Hell on my arthritis.

The Tac-Star hard plastic grip that comes standard on the Serbu SUCKS. bigcraig put a Hogue "Tamer" on his, and it is teh sweet.

 

[curraheeguns]

Here is a quick video of a coworkers 15 year old son shooting my 870 Super-Shorty. He takes it like a real trooper!!

YouTube - Carl Shoots The Remington 870 Serbu Super-Shorty AOW Conversion

 

[Neo46121]

Taken like a trooper indeed

Hey currahee where do you shoot around here?

 

[curraheeguns]

Taken like a trooper indeed

Hey currahee where do you shoot around here?

I do most of my full auto shooting at my grandfathers farm about an hour and a half North of Indy.

 

[UncleMike]

Here is a quick video of a coworkers 15 year old son shooting my 870 Super-Shorty. He takes it like a real trooper!!

YouTube - Carl Shoots The Remington 870 Serbu Super-Shorty AOW Conversion

Yes Sir.
That young man will be able to handle almost any hand held weapon if he practices with that Serbu.
Mike

 

[Titanium Man]

That one came in a slightly smaller Brown Truck.

Yeah, and I'll bet it had a Blue or Red Air Label on it.
God Bless UPS Next Day Air Delivery!!

 

[curraheeguns]

Yeah, and I'll bet it had a Blue or Red Air Label on it.
God Bless UPS Next Day Air Delivery!!

You would be suprised how many NFA items come regular USPS and regular UPS/Fedex.

I have one manufacturer that sends all my cans from the factory to me via USPS 3-5 day Priority mail.

 

[zebov]

Someone clarify something for me. I thought that for the SBS to be illegal in Indiana it had to be designed to "shoot from the shoulder." As such, things like the Judge are not illegal even though they shoot shotgun shells and are short barreled.

What part of the I.C. am I missing?

The "sawed-off shotgun" part is quoted below:

IC 35-47-5-4.1
Sawed-off shotgun
Sec. 4.1. (a) A person who:
(1) manufactures;
(2) causes to be manufactured;
(3) imports into Indiana;
(4) keeps for sale;
(5) offers or exposes for sale; or
(6) gives, lends, or possesses;
any sawed-off shotgun commits dealing in a sawed-off shotgun, a Class D felony.
(b) The presence of a weapon referred to in subsection (a) in a motor vehicle (as defined under IC 9-13-2-105(a)) except for school buses and a vehicle operated in the transportation of passengers by a common carrier (as defined in IC 8-2.1-17-4) creates an inference that the weapon is in the possession of the persons occupying the motor vehicle. However, the inference does not apply to all the persons occupying the motor vehicle if the weapon is found upon, or under the control of, one (1) of the occupants. In addition, the inference does not apply to a duly licensed driver of a motor vehicle for hire who finds the weapon in the licensed driver's motor vehicle in the proper pursuit of the licensed driver's trade.
(c) This section does not apply to a law enforcement officer who is acting in the course of the officer's official duties or to a person who manufactures or imports for sale or sells a sawed-off shotgun to a law enforcement agency.
As added by P.L.1-1990, SEC.351. Amended by P.L.2-1991, SEC.107.

IC 35-47-1-10
"Sawed-off shotgun"
Sec. 10. "Sawed-off shotgun" means:
(1) a shotgun having one (1) or more barrels less than eighteen (18) inches in length; and
(2) any weapon made from a shotgun (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if the weapon as modified has an overall length of less than twenty-six (26) inches.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32.

IC 35-47-1-11
"Shotgun"
Sec. 11. "Shotgun" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32.

 

[shooter521]

Someone clarify something for me. I thought that for the SBS to be illegal in Indiana it had to be designed to "shoot from the shoulder." As such, things like the Judge are not illegal even though they shoot shotgun shells and are short barreled.

What part of the I.C. am I missing?

The Judge is not a shotgun, since it does not have a smooth bore and was not designed to be fired from the shoulder. Nor is it a "weapon made from a shotgun". It is a handgun (rifled bore) that happens to also shoot .410 ammo in addition to .45LC.

Or maybe I didn't understand what your question was?

 

[zebov]

The Judge is not a shotgun, since it does not have a smooth bore and was not designed to be fired from the shoulder. Nor is it a "weapon made from a shotgun". It is a handgun (rifled bore) that happens to also shoot .410 ammo in addition to .45LC.

Or maybe I didn't understand what your question was?

My question is: given the pictures from the OP, this "shotgun" does not appear to be designed to be fired from the shoulder. And I assume they've made it from "scratch" (ie. they didn't buy someone else's shotgun and modify it, thus not "weapon made from a shotgun"). So, it would seem this weapon would not be classified as a sawed-off shotgun in Indiana and thus would not be illegal for any owner. I assume there is some other law I am missing, right?

 

[curraheeguns]

My question is: given the pictures from the OP, this "shotgun" does not appear to be designed to be fired from the shoulder. And I assume they've made it from "scratch" (ie. they didn't buy someone else's shotgun and modify it, thus not "weapon made from a shotgun"). So, it would seem this weapon would not be classified as a sawed-off shotgun in Indiana and thus would not be illegal for any owner. I assume there is some other law I am missing, right?

Actually it is neither a "shotgun" nor a "weapon made from a shotgun" it is a title II firearm classified as an AOW.

Also, it was not made from scratch but instead made from a factory pistol gripped Remington 870 by Serbu Firearms.

Not sure if this answers your questions, but if not feel free to PM or repost the question and I will try and answer it.

 

[Lex Concord]

I get that it's an AOW from a federal perspective, but how does it escape the definition of "Sawed-off Shotgun" as defined in IC and, therefore, the restrictions Indiana places on weapons meeting that definition?

It would seem the two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, though I am, admittedly, not at all well versed in this area.

Edit: Just caught it....made from a factory pistol-gripped 870...therefore not made from a shotgun as a factory pg-870 does not meet the IN definition of shotgun.

Very clever

 

[curraheeguns]

I get that it's an AOW from a federal perspective, but how does it escape the definition of "Sawed-off Shotgun" as defined in IC and, therefore, the restrictions Indiana places on weapons meeting that definition?

It would seem the two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, though I am, admittedly, not at all well versed in this area.

Edit: Just caught it....made from a factory pistol-gripped 870...therefore not made from a shotgun as a factory pg-870 does not meet the IN definition of shotgun.

Very clever

Correct. The firearm this weapon was made from is not and has never been designed to be fired from the shoulder as required by both federal and state law to be determined a shotgun. Even though this AOW shoots "shotshells" it is not and has never been a shotgun.


§ 921. Definitions

(5) The term “shotgun” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger.


IC 35-47-1-11
"Shotgun"
Sec. 11. "Shotgun" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32.