How do I get the new plastic LTCH?

[indyjohn]

I don't get the point of paying for a duplicate. The state doesn't require you to carry your license. So just leave the paper in your file cabinet.

Which one of the two people you quoted are you disagreeing with? I'm bored out of my mind and have no qualms about sifting through the I.C.

bf says you don't have to carry it. My IMPD neighbor told me a story how he has had a run in twice with a thug carrying w/o his LTCH but claims he has one. He learned carrying the card when you're carrying the firearm is a requirement.

See if you can prove/disprove that. This officer is referred to as "The Professor" so I lean toward his perception of the law.

 

[chezuki]

bf says you don't have to carry it. My IMPD neighbor told me a story how he has had a run in twice with a thug carrying w/o his LTCH but claims he has one. He learned carrying the card when you're carrying the firearm is a requirement.

See if you can prove/disprove that. This officer is referred to as "The Professor" so I lean toward his perception of the law.

That one is easy. I believe it was July of either 2011 0r 2012 where the wording was changed and the words "in your possession" were removed. It was the same time the LTCH info was linked to the DL database. I'll be back to quote codes shortly...

 

[chezuki]

That one is easy. I believe it was July of either 2011 0r 2012 where the wording was changed and the words "in your possession" were removed. It was the same time the LTCH info was linked to the DL database. I'll be back to quote codes shortly...

Ok, Current code:

IC 35-47-2-1 Version a
Carrying a handgun without being licensed; exceptions; person
convicted of domestic battery
Note: This version of section effective until 7-1-2014. See also
following version of this section, effective 7-1-2014.
Sec. 1. (a) Except as provided in subsections (b) and (c) and
section 2 of this chapter, a person shall not carry a handgun in any
vehicle or on or about the person's body without being licensed under
this chapter to carry a handgun.

The previous version (pre-2011) was this:

Sec. 1. (a) Except as provided in subsection (b) and section 2 of this chapter, a person shall not carry a handgun in any vehicle or on or about the person's body except in the person's dwelling, on the person's property or fixed place of business, without a license issued under this chapter being in the person's possession.

Here's some confirmation:

You don't have to have it on you any longer. It used to be it had to be in your possession, but now as long as it can be verified you have one that satisfies the law.

The burden of proof is still on the license holder:

IC 35-47-2-24
Indictment or information; defendant's burden to prove exemption or license; arrest, effect of production of valid license, or establishment of exemption
Sec. 24. (a) In an information or indictment brought for the enforcement of any provision of this chapter, it is not necessary to negate any exemption specified under this chapter, or to allege the absence of a license required under this chapter. The burden of proof is on the defendant to prove that he is exempt under section 2 of this chapter, or that he has a license as required under this chapter.
(b) Whenever a person who has been arrested or charged with a violation of section 1 of this chapter presents a valid license to the prosecuting attorney or establishes that he is exempt under section 2 of this chapter, any prosecution for a violation of section 1 of this chapter shall be dismissed immediately, and all records of an arrest or proceedings following arrest shall be destroyed immediately.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32.

 

[indyjohn]

Ok, Current code:

IC 35-47-2-1 Version a
Carrying a handgun without being licensed; exceptions; person
convicted of domestic battery
Note: This version of section effective until 7-1-2014. See also
following version of this section, effective 7-1-2014.
Sec. 1. (a) Except as provided in subsections (b) and (c) and
section 2 of this chapter, a person shall not carry a handgun in any
vehicle or on or about the person's body without being licensed under
this chapter to carry a handgun.

The previous version (pre-2011) was this:

Sec. 1. (a) Except as provided in subsection (b) and section 2 of this chapter, a person shall not carry a handgun in any vehicle or on or about the person's body except in the person's dwelling, on the person's property or fixed place of business, without a license issued under this chapter being in the person's possession.

Here's some confirmation:

Originally Posted by BehindBlueI's You don't have to have it on you any longer. It used to be it had to be in your possession, but now as long as it can be verified you have one that satisfies the law.

The burden of proof is still on the license holder:

IC 35-47-2-24
Indictment or information; defendant's burden to prove exemption or license; arrest, effect of production of valid license, or establishment of exemption
Sec. 24. (a) In an information or indictment brought for the enforcement of any provision of this chapter, it is not necessary to negate any exemption specified under this chapter, or to allege the absence of a license required under this chapter. The burden of proof is on the defendant to prove that he is exempt under section 2 of this chapter, or that he has a license as required under this chapter.
(b) Whenever a person who has been arrested or charged with a violation of section 1 of this chapter presents a valid license to the prosecuting attorney or establishes that he is exempt under section 2 of this chapter, any prosecution for a violation of section 1 of this chapter shall be dismissed immediately, and all records of an arrest or proceedings following arrest shall be destroyed immediately.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32

I stand corrected. Now I need to go have an uncomfortable conversation with a certain neighbor.

 

[Scuba591]

Ok question... I made my application with Noblesville Police Dept.... I can't find records with ISP what next?

 

[Redhorse]

Wait, we can get a plastic one? I want two

 

[chezuki]

Wait, we can get a plastic one? I want two

That'll be $42.84, please drive-through.

 

[jagee]

Those who are getting no results, did you apply for your LTCH's before the apps went to online? I would imagine that those "application numbers" aren't in the database.

My original (4 year) LTCH was done on paper with ink fingerprints, but when I renewed to the Lifetime, they had switched to online applications and my lifetime has a different license number. When I search my original license number (the ink and paper application), I get "No results found", but the one I applied for online gave me my app number.

I think so, yeah. I did everything on paper, even the finger prints...the digi-scan thingy was down the day I went in.

 

[Mgderf]

"no info found" for me.
I applied for my Lifetime a mere 2 months after they first began offering them.
No-one was even mentioning the internet yet.

It may be a while before my info is in the new system I guess.

 

[Bill of Rights]

I think they should upgrade us to plastic for free as a courtesy. Especially since they never asked for permission from US to fold our info into the driver's license database.

Silly Burl....They had your info. They didn't need your permission, esp. since both systems and both licenses are actually their property and you're graciously allowed to pay for and hold onto them until and unless they are demanded.

If there is supposed to be purple in the above sentence, you'll have to find it yourself.

 

[sharpetop]

Tell me, are the plastic ones still pink? I believe I'll just wait until my current laminated pink paper LTCH starts deteriorating.

 

[chezuki]

Tell me, are the plastic ones still pink? I believe I'll just wait until my current laminated pink paper LTCH starts deteriorating.

Yes.

 

[Cameramonkey]

I stand corrected. Now I need to go have an uncomfortable conversation with a certain neighbor.

Make sure you print out the IC provided, otherwise "the professor" will claim you are incorrect.

A friend who has been having some issues with a neighbor (no, not Sneeze) and is shopping for a handgun took my advice and applied for his Larry today on the site. He had all kinds of problems and called ISP. He was told the site "is broken and they are working on fixing it ASAP". That would explain all of your weird errors. Its not you, its the site.

 

[bwframe]

...He had all kinds of problems and called ISP. He was told the site "is broken and they are working on fixing it ASAP". That would explain all of your weird errors. Its not you, its the site.

Sounds like obamacare, eh? Anyone know if ISP is running it or contractors?

 

[chezuki]

Anyone know if ISP is running it or contractors?

I'd bet this guy knows, but he won't admit it.

Have her send an email to ISP@isp.in.gov with her information and the staff from the firearms license unit will look into the issue. Also, the new online application program (go to ISP: Home) will allow her to create a user name and password for an account that will allow her to track where her application is throughout the process. The goal is to keep applicants informed throughout the entire process until they get their card. Another feature of the new program is that address changes, name changes (marriage) and requests for a duplicate license can all be performed online. Firearms Dealers licenses (state) are also completed online starting today.

 

[sig-guy]

Nor me.

Odd that they want the city of birth. I don't remember that on the application. Plus, that adds a huge potential subset to the database.

I don't remember the form asking for employer's name and address either... but it does now.

 

[chezuki]

I don't remember the form asking for employer's name and address either... but it does now.

The online application asked about employer when I did mine in December of 2012. I was unemployed at the time and just put N/A.

 

[sig-guy]

When one of you receives the plastic one, let us know if they shrunk it down to typical credit card/DL size or if it's still a little longer than those. I shrunk my paper one down to CC/DL size and laminated it so it would fit well within my wallet. If the plastic one is that goofy size, I probably won't get one as I imagine it would be hard to make it smaller.

Shrinking instructions: Stick card in the Microwave for 1 minute. If further reduction is required; Microwave it again for 30 seconds, until you are satisfied with the end result. Let it sit for 5 minutes before sticking it in your WALLET.

 

[GNRPowdeR]

And we're waiting...

 

[edporch]

I just called. They are currently working on the site, still adding licenses and such. And they just had the site up and running.

She said give it a couple days, and try again.

I'm so glad it's not just me.

I got a not found error too.
Will try again in a few days.

I should have realized that when the government says something will be ready on a certain date, it's foolhardy to think it will actually be so.