Does anyone know how "well trained" the police are? I was under the impression that they have a noteworthy incident rate with firearms, as well as fairly minimal pistol training. I was also under the impression that they don't shoot in a crowded enviroment, if at all possible. Simply becuase the risk of shooting an innocent by-stander is so great?
Officers from different departments train differently. I know IMPD officers are required go to the range twice a year. Individual officers are going to have differing levels of experience with a pistol as some officers only go to the range and train twice a year, while others may go to the range on their own time and thus spend more time training with their pistol. An officer who has been on the department for 20 years is going to be more experienced than an officer who has been a police officer for 2 years and had no prior experience with firearms before the academy. As far as shooting in a crowded environment, every situation is different so it is hard to say when an officer will or will not shoot. There have been instances where an officer was being fired on from a suspect moving through someones front yard, and the officer waited until the suspect was no longer in front of the house to return fire. Officers are trained to be very aware of their surroundings and to use sound judgement when deciding to fire at their target. I know nothing about any other departments training programs and have never spoken to an officer from a different department on this issue. I only know what I have learned from conversations with numerious IMPD officers, I am not an officer.
Idk if that answered the question at all...
When has this evey been an issue off campus? PUPD response time is 2 minutes, how many shootings go on longer than that? think, please, let logic get in the way of emotion, call your local pd, or the indy metro pd, and ask how they would handle an active shooter at a colts game?
I really think I need to find a way to bribe Kirk Freeman and liberty Sanders into getting involved.
Yes, but I was referring to an active shooter incident in which an officer arrives on scene and it is still a very "active" situation.
If two people are exchanging gunfire as an officer arrives on scene, and neither one takes a shot at the officer, how then would the officer decide who the GG is and who the BG is and then react to eliminate the threat?
First I would like to point out that I am a supporter of carrying on campus. I am not sure what "emotion" you are referring to. As far as responding to an active shooter incident at a colts game, I don't understand what your point is? They still have to identify the threat, before they can eliminate the threat.
When has an active shooter incident ever been an issue off campus? Or when has there ever been an active shooter incident where a civilian was perceived as a threat by responding officers?
The first active shooter incident which lasted more than two minutes that comes to mind took place in August of 2004, and resulted in the death of IPD officer Jake Laird. Officer Timothy Jacob (Jake) Laird, Indianapolis Police Department, Indiana
As far as a citizen being considered a threat, I direct you to this incident
Deputy Sheriff Jason Matthew Baker, Marion County Sheriff's Department, Indiana
The suspects bailed from the vehicle after ambushing Jason, and responding officers arrived on scene and set up a perimeter. I do not clearly remember all the details, but I can ask someone later to refresh my memory. At one point during the search for the suspects, an officer observed a male in plain clothes and opened fire on him believing he was a suspect. Again, I dont clearly remember the details or the circumstances which lead up to this, but I will post them later.
First I would like to point out that I am a supporter of carrying on campus. I am not sure what "emotion" you are referring to. As far as responding to an active shooter incident at a colts game, I don't understand what your point is? They still have to identify the threat, before they can eliminate the threat.
When has an active shooter incident ever been an issue off campus? Or when has there ever been an active shooter incident where a civilian was perceived as a threat by responding officers?
The first active shooter incident which lasted more than two minutes that comes to mind took place in August of 2004, and resulted in the death of IPD officer Jake Laird. Officer Timothy Jacob (Jake) Laird, Indianapolis Police Department, Indiana
As far as a citizen being considered a threat, I direct you to this incident
Deputy Sheriff Jason Matthew Baker, Marion County Sheriff's Department, Indiana
The suspects bailed from the vehicle after ambushing Jason, and responding officers arrived on scene and set up a perimeter. I do not clearly remember all the details, but I can ask someone later to refresh my memory. At one point during the search for the suspects, an officer observed a male in plain clothes and opened fire on him believing he was a suspect. Again, I dont clearly remember the details or the circumstances which lead up to this, but I will post them later.
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And the police "set up a perimeter" and wait for the killing to stop to hose off the blood and write reports for the prosecutor.
Again, may I please have an example of this happening? Just one.
As well, how do police train to handle this scenario off the campus of Purdue? Certainly given the comprehensive firearms training of the police they are taught how to handle this situation at the mall or other off-campus areas. PUPD should do that then.
How is this the problem that Chief Cox claims? If Chief Cox lacks such faith in the training of his officers I would urge him to disarm his officers immediately.
It did, now think about what you said, "Officers are trained to be very aware of their surroundings" this is for liability reasons as much as anything. PUPD, ISP, I highly doubt any police department in the state would risk wounding an innocent by-stander.
And the police "set up a perimeter" and wait for the killing to stop to hose off the blood and write reports for the prosecutor.
Again, may I please have an example of this happening? Just one.
As well, how do police train to handle this scenario off the campus of Purdue? Certainly given the comprehensive firearms training of the police they are taught how to handle this situation at the mall or other off-campus areas. PUPD should do that then.
How is this the problem that Chief Cox claims? If Chief Cox lacks such faith in the training of his officers I would urge him to disarm his officers immediately.
When has this evey been an issue off campus? PUPD response time is 2 minutes, how many shootings go on longer than that? think, please, let logic get in the way of emotion, call your local pd, or the indy metro pd, and ask how they would handle an active shooter at a colts game?
Hold your fire, Purdue - Purdue Exponent: Opinions Wow, just wow. Dirty harry.
My daughter goes to Purdue and was at the meeting last night. She called me on her way home from the meeting and she was in disbelief that people are so uneducated on responsible gun carry. She has her LTCH and can not carry while she attends Purdue. She lives in a dorm so even if this passes she still will not be able to have her gun because they are not allowed in the dorms. The fact that needs brought out is it is not illegal to carry on campus. It is a Purdue rule so someone from IU could be there and have a gun on them. People are quick to try to take the second amendment away what if they were after the 1st amendment. They would be in a uproar if the freedom of speech was infringed. I hope that Purdue sets a presence in the right to carry for their students and staff.
In this particular incident, the suspect had fled on foot following the brief chase and the shooting of Deputy Baker.
Are you saying that if there is no such example, that officers should not be prepared for such a thing to occur?
http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/09150603par.pdf
this lists a bystander was injured, but does not say by whom..
The man who was shot was a security guard in plain clothes, and was armed with a handgun (I believe he was crawling on the ground at the time of the incident). The officers observed this man within the perimeter, in plain clothes holding a firearm, and opened fire on him believing he was a suspect
I could not find the incident report, I seem to have misplaced it. I spoke with an officer who was familiar with the incident, and he confirmed that a civilian was shot and seriously wounded by officers on the scene that night(I believe two officers opened fire). The man who was shot was a security guard in plain clothes, and was armed with a handgun (I believe he was crawling on the ground at the time of the incident). The officers observed this man within the perimeter, in plain clothes holding a firearm, and opened fire on him believing he was a suspect (There were multiple suspects...three suspects were later arrested and a fourth was fatally wounded during a subsequent gun battle) involved in the shooting of Jason Baker.