This was my first thought... 9mm easy on the wallet and the shoulder....mags are plentiful
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Homes defense guns other than AR, AK & Shotgun?
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I agree with the post above that in most home invasions, one or two shots is likely all that is needed.
Personally, I keep a .357 revolver at the bedside. Ruger GP100 or Smith 686. Great guns and easy to operate for a novice. Just my opinion.
Personally, I keep a .357 revolver at the bedside. Ruger GP100 or Smith 686. Great guns and easy to operate for a novice. Just my opinion.
Enough already.
I almost clicked the buy button on the KSG just a few minutes ago. Then I remembered as soon as I buy it a Ronin 10mm will show up. So I exited out. So just stop with the KSG praise.
You know you have to hold out for the S&W "KSG" anyway.
USGI carbines are all north of $1K now pretty much. Non-USGI are not far behind I don't think. And ammo cost and availability might be a concern. I mean, they're not for me, but I was in the right place at the right time.
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I second or third the 357 mag in a revolver.
just what I carry as an everyday carry. Just shy away from full power 357 for night work. Blinding flash out of my 2.5 inch barrel
just what I carry as an everyday carry. Just shy away from full power 357 for night work. Blinding flash out of my 2.5 inch barrel
Sorry, I really love my KSGs as you can tell and no I don't work for Keltec or get any kickbacks, breaks, or discounts. Just can stand hearing the reasons why not to seriously consider the KSG. The kick will be too much, a couple rounds out of a pistol will scare them off with just the flash or noise, a rifle will work better, he might shoot his hand off, this gets old quick.
I do respect you DS and value your opinions.
As I see it, if teddys buddy is serious about wanting to protect/defend himself he can't expect it to be a warm fuzzy sitch. He is going to have to eat a sandwich, man up, maybe endure some discomfort and do everything he can to keep burning oxygen because he cant expect someone to come to his rescue and without absolutely any firearm experience/skills, this is the best solution to the issue at hand imo.
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I think DS was saying that all this talk about the KSG's had convinced him that he needed one. But then he talked himself out of it to save for the Ronin 10mm...Sorry, I really love my KSGs as you can tell and no I don't work for Keltec or get any kickbacks, breaks, or discounts. Just can stand hearing the reasons why not to seriously consider the KSG. The kick will be too much, a couple rounds out of a pistol will scare them off with just the flash or noise, a rifle will work better, he might shoot his hand off, this gets old quick.
I do respect you DS and value your opinions.
As I see it, if teddys buddy is serious about wanting to protect/defend himself he can't expect it to be a warm fuzzy sitch. He is going to have to eat a sandwich, man up, maybe endure some discomfort and do everything he can to keep burning oxygen because he cant expect someone to come to his rescue and without absolutely any firearm experience/skills, this is the best solution to the issue at hand imo.
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Biggest question i have is he prepared and able to use it to defend himself ??? So many people think that just showing you have a weapon is a deterrent but in reality a lot of those folks get it taken away and used on them or another person.
A satchel charge might not seem like the ideal choice for home defense, but the reliability, ease of operation, and raw destructive power are unmatched by any firearm short of a grenade launcher.
Seriously though, from your description of your cousin as a novice, slender, and not very mechanical, I would suggest a semiauto shotgun with an 18.5" barrel in 20 gauge or .410 loaded with slugs. Lower recoil than a 12 gauge so less "intimidating" for new shooters, readily available ammo, simple manual of arms, and quite effective on a human torso.
With the proper mindset, such an arm could serve a person quite well if they're not yet up to speed on more effective arms.
Never hurts to have a few satchel charges handy, though.
Seriously though, from your description of your cousin as a novice, slender, and not very mechanical, I would suggest a semiauto shotgun with an 18.5" barrel in 20 gauge or .410 loaded with slugs. Lower recoil than a 12 gauge so less "intimidating" for new shooters, readily available ammo, simple manual of arms, and quite effective on a human torso.
With the proper mindset, such an arm could serve a person quite well if they're not yet up to speed on more effective arms.
Never hurts to have a few satchel charges handy, though.
You posted while I was typing, but this is what I meant when I mentioned proper mindset. He has to understand that a gun isn't a deterrent, it's a showstopper. Don't get it out if you're not going to use it, and once you get it out employ it quickly, over and over again, until the threat is ended.
I don't know how true it is that people hesitate and get their guns taken from them and get used against them. I don't know how many crimes are deterred by the simple display of a firearm. What I do know is, if I ever pull a gun on someone I'm going to use it, and if they take it from me and kill me with it, they're going to have to beat me to death with it because it will have been run until it's empty of ammo. At that point, I probably deserve to die for being such a poor shot.
I looked into the new ones being produced because I think its a neat rifle. I think they were just under $1500. No thanks.USGI carbines are all north of $1K now pretty much. Non-USGI are not far behind I don't think. And ammo cost and availability might be a concern. I mean, they're not for me, but I was in the right place at the right time.
And surplus are so rare now at the CMP that they state up front any that come in go STRAIGHT to the auction site. No more are being added to the main page because they are so relatively rare.
I like the idea of a 17, a 19, an MnP or other service pistol in 9, unless you think that's a bit much for him to start out with. Then maybe a Buckmark or other 22.
Also, unless he's excited about the idea of a lever gun, the 10 22 sounds like a great place to start.
DO have him over for weekend training, and burn as much ammo as you can. Nothing replaces trigger time.
Also, unless he's excited about the idea of a lever gun, the 10 22 sounds like a great place to start.
DO have him over for weekend training, and burn as much ammo as you can. Nothing replaces trigger time.
I will echo what a few have said above. Ruger PC Carbine (either Ruger or Glock versions) and a handgun that uses the same mags. Weapon lights for both. Lots of mags for both. Stock both with the same defensive ammo and and then buy plenty of range ammo and get some training. After he masters these, if he feel he needs more firepower, a 20 gauge shotgun for less recoil than a 12 gauge and more stopping power than a 9mm.
JM2C. YMMV.
JM2C. YMMV.
Great point on the bullpup shotgun and ease of making a mistake with that.
I hadn’t even thought of a pistol caliber carbine, but he’d certainly shoot better with 9mm with a stock than a 9mm handgun. That’s a whole other category that I hadn’t even considered.
I’m not sure what he’s thinking in terms of a budget. From chatting yesterday he was shocked at how affordable shotgun were and he thought every gun and every gun part was going to be $1,000 or more so I think he’s fine when he’s seeing what actual prices are.
We had a great talk yesterday about distance, shotgun pattern and why inside a home you still have to aim. Lightbulbs were going off left and right for him and when I mentioned the lever gun idea I could see that was something he hadn’t even considered, much like I hadn’t even thought of a pistol caliber carbine.
One thing we discussed to add some perspective to his situation is what the gun looks like to a jury of his peers. If the worst case scenario pops up and he would have to stand trial for something what’s the jury think when they see an AK, AR, or Shogun, vs some lever action that looks like it was his great grand dads. Not saying that’s the single driving factor in the decision, but the reality is people have a bias and preconceived ideas in their heads and a jury in Chicago would more likely see an AR/AK as an assault weapon, when in Indiana there’s more of a likelihood of someone seeing an AR and thinking they’re shooting groundhogs.
I certainly get that most home invasions are stopped with a few rounds or none at all. However I also get why the military preaches ammo discipline because new guys tend to get a little excited with the trigger on their first time. This guy would be that rookie level of experience, and I would prefer him to have many magazines with many rounds. A revolver has it’s place and I lover the idea of matching the ammo to the rifle of a levergun, but in this particular case I’m not sure.
I like the M1 carbine idea, but buying a used surplus gun that’s been through however many owners at this point isn’t something I know enough about to say this is a good or bad gun with life left in it on every part. For the money, I’d tell him to buy a bravo company, or Daniel defense or whatever in that tier.
His mindset is right where he’s looking only at defensively. He’s been in Chicago more years of his life than he hasn’t and watched all the news. He’s seen first hand and on the news the crazy riots and vandalism in the street. He gets it, he’s afraid for what’s coming next and just doesn’t want to get killed in his own home by a bunch of thugs.
I hadn’t even thought of a pistol caliber carbine, but he’d certainly shoot better with 9mm with a stock than a 9mm handgun. That’s a whole other category that I hadn’t even considered.
I’m not sure what he’s thinking in terms of a budget. From chatting yesterday he was shocked at how affordable shotgun were and he thought every gun and every gun part was going to be $1,000 or more so I think he’s fine when he’s seeing what actual prices are.
We had a great talk yesterday about distance, shotgun pattern and why inside a home you still have to aim. Lightbulbs were going off left and right for him and when I mentioned the lever gun idea I could see that was something he hadn’t even considered, much like I hadn’t even thought of a pistol caliber carbine.
One thing we discussed to add some perspective to his situation is what the gun looks like to a jury of his peers. If the worst case scenario pops up and he would have to stand trial for something what’s the jury think when they see an AK, AR, or Shogun, vs some lever action that looks like it was his great grand dads. Not saying that’s the single driving factor in the decision, but the reality is people have a bias and preconceived ideas in their heads and a jury in Chicago would more likely see an AR/AK as an assault weapon, when in Indiana there’s more of a likelihood of someone seeing an AR and thinking they’re shooting groundhogs.
I certainly get that most home invasions are stopped with a few rounds or none at all. However I also get why the military preaches ammo discipline because new guys tend to get a little excited with the trigger on their first time. This guy would be that rookie level of experience, and I would prefer him to have many magazines with many rounds. A revolver has it’s place and I lover the idea of matching the ammo to the rifle of a levergun, but in this particular case I’m not sure.
I like the M1 carbine idea, but buying a used surplus gun that’s been through however many owners at this point isn’t something I know enough about to say this is a good or bad gun with life left in it on every part. For the money, I’d tell him to buy a bravo company, or Daniel defense or whatever in that tier.
His mindset is right where he’s looking only at defensively. He’s been in Chicago more years of his life than he hasn’t and watched all the news. He’s seen first hand and on the news the crazy riots and vandalism in the street. He gets it, he’s afraid for what’s coming next and just doesn’t want to get killed in his own home by a bunch of thugs.
I've seen them they look great also. I was going to get one but the one I want is always out if stock.
I have several lever guns and the 92 clones are light and maneuverable for use indoors. If he started with a 18-20" 357 magnum he could use both 38 and 357. He could also work his way up to a revolver in the same caliber. For a novice shooter a rifle is always the best choice to start on.
