Have you ever "quizzed" a business with a no-gun sign

[TheSpark]

I'm assuming that we're generally talking about OC'ing here? Or are people saying that they'd respect the sign and not CC? If one was CC'ing properly, no one would even know, correct?

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Yea, mostly open carry. Pretty much no one will know if you CC but there are people really good at picking out people who are concealing (most of them though carry themselves and would have no desire to out you). However, its almost always impossible to know for sure without asking the person to lift their shirt or whatnot. If I was ever asked that I'd leave right away regardless.

 

[Gluemanz28]

Asking the employees or managers about these policies is a waste at chain stores. They don't make the policies. As for mom and pop shops you may very well change their attitude if you talk to them, kindly, about this. When they see they lost your business over it they may think about it even more.

I don't completely agree with your statement. I still feel that asking the Manager or employee about the sign and if they have ever enforced it is still a viable question. If you were the manager at a chain restaurant that had a sign would you? I wouldn't. Yea I know people would say I wouldn't work there then. Some people don't have the luxury to just quit a job that implemented a new policy that you don't agree with.

I CC at places with signs all the time and have never been asked to leave. It I was asked to leave then I would do so and Chalk it up to not doing a good enough job CC.

Lets face it when we go to a restaurant we are at their house and it is their rules. If you come to my house then we go by my rules. I respect others and I expect the same.

 

[TheSpark]

I don't completely agree with your statement. I still feel that asking the Manager or employee about the sign and if they have ever enforced it is still a viable question. If you were the manager at a chain restaurant that had a sign would you? I wouldn't. Yea I know people would say I wouldn't work there then. Some people don't have the luxury to just quit a job that implemented a new policy that you don't agree with.

I CC at places with signs all the time and have never been asked to leave. It I was asked to leave then I would do so and Chalk it up to not doing a good enough job CC.

Lets face it when we go to a restaurant we are at their house and it is their rules. If you come to my house then we go by my rules. I respect others and I expect the same.

Well, asking them is still okay... However, there is nothing they can do about it typically which was my point. Yes you might be able to get them to stop enforcing that policy in the future themselves.

 

[Gluemanz28]

Well, asking them is still okay... However, there is nothing they can do about it typically which was my point. Yes you might be able to get them to stop enforcing that policy in the future themselves.

I'm not asking them to change anything. I know they don't have the authority to make those changes. I would be more concerned about how they feel about the sign and if they turn the other way or be a Hall Monitor and bounce the person for carrying.

 

[StunnedMonkey]

I don't completely agree with your statement. I still feel that asking the Manager or employee about the sign and if they have ever enforced it is still a viable question.

The actual manager perhaps, since he's ultimately responsible for the profits of his location and would (should) take an interest in the wishes of his potential clientele. But bringing it up to a random employee is likely a waste of time though, IMO.

 

[Scutter01]

8 more to go.

This is where I stopped paying attention. And here I thought we were having a discussion, not just a postcount padding party.

 

[StunnedMonkey]

This is where I stopped paying attention. And here I thought we were having a discussion, not just a postcount padding party.

Really? It was just an observation. Until this post, which of the previous ones were so lacking in content as to be considered post padding? I've been here a few weeks. If I was just interested in getting 50 posts, don't you think I could have easily done that by now?

 

[Scutter01]

I've had plenty of discussions with post-padders in the five years I spent moderating this site. Regardless of the quality of the discussion, at post 50 they tend to disappear and the conversation never completes. Maybe I'm just jaded, but I find it to be a huge conversational turn-off when I see that the poster is counting posts. It's like having dinner with someone who won't stop texting on their phone.

 

[lovemachine]

It's like having dinner with someone who won't stop texting on their phone.

I hate that.

 

[funeralweb]

Really? It was just an observation. Until this post, which of the previous ones were so lacking in content as to be considered post padding? I've been here a few weeks. If I was just interested in getting 50 posts, don't you think I could have easily done that by now?

 

[JB357Mag]

I just carry concealed and go where I want.

Im not going to avoid getting something I want or need because of a sign.

Jimmy

 

[nakinate]

Really? It was just an observation. Until this post, which of the previous ones were so lacking in content as to be considered post padding? I've been here a few weeks. If I was just interested in getting 50 posts, don't you think I could have easily done that by now?

I already have more than 50 today...mind you they aren't quality.

 

[gjclark]

On the flip side, we as licensed carriers are in the minority. Only about 40% of the population in Indiana even owns guns, and I'm sure the number who carry them regularly is much lower than that. The number who would be so incensed by an anti-gun policy is probably much lower than that even. So for the handful of you who would go make a stink, or give them one of those pre-printed cards about "no gun = no money," how far outnumbered by the Suzy Soccer Moms are you? A business then has to make a choice between appeasing our minority versus scaring off the Suzy Soccer Moms. It would be nice to believe that businesses would stand on principle but they are in the business of making money. If Suzy Soccer Mom complains about the MWAG and nothing is done, how much business is lost compared to the tiny percentage of dyed-in-the-wool gun carriers who would actually make a business decision based on an anti-gun policy? It's extremely difficult to quantify how much business is lost by Suzy Soccer Mom not returning to a pro-gun store versus a gun enthusiast not returning to an anti-gun store. Given the number of us who regularly carry firearms versus the number who don't, I'd say businesses err on the side of Suzy Soccer Mom.

Homosexuals are also in the minority but how much do they get catered to?

 

[TheSpark]

I've had plenty of discussions with post-padders in the five years I spent moderating this site. Regardless of the quality of the discussion, at post 50 they tend to disappear and the conversation never completes. Maybe I'm just jaded, but I find it to be a huge conversational turn-off when I see that the poster is counting posts. It's like having dinner with someone who won't stop texting on their phone.

Curious, what happens when they reach 50 posts that they desire it so much?

 

[Scutter01]

Curious, what happens when they reach 50 posts that they desire it so much?

Access to the Classifieds section.

 

[StunnedMonkey]

Access to the Classifieds section.

Just to be very clear...and I'm hesitant to post here as it's not my intention to pad a post count by hijacking the OP's topic but you've already done that...I have zero interest in the classified section. My only interest in this board is participating with like-minded folks in the exchange of ideas and information. Yeah, I noticed I was nearing 50 and commented on it. Big deal. The only thing I'm aware of that I'll gain by getting 50 is the ability to PM people, which of course would eliminate nonsense public posts like this. I get that you're a long time member with 20,000+ posts but a dismissive attitude towards new members just trying to fit in isn't exactly welcoming.

 

[HeadlessRoland]

Homosexuals are also in the minority but how much do they get catered to?

If 1-2% of the entire adult population of this country who self-identifies as 'homosexual' (3-6 million) can change civil rights law, title IX, the millennia-old institution of marriage, and still claim that they're oppressed, 26-33% of the country who own guns (80-100 million) should be able to move mountains.

But where they focus and remain united, we occupy ourselves with things like: 9mm vs. .45ACP - which is clearly superior?; polymer pistols versus metal pistols - polymer will blow up in your face, my mama said so; OC is stupid, your mama told me so; CC is stupid, only OC is a sufficient deterrent to would-be attackers; and why Kahr is better than Glock is better than S&W is better than Ruger is better than Hi-Point is better than Jennings is better than a rock.

With even a slight bit more cohesion and unification - an admittedly impossible task - we would wield more political power and influence than any other "group" in the nation. No other faction comes close - not Mattachines, not socialists, not communists, not International Workers' Unions, not GLAAD, not Unitarians, not Catholics, not Protestants - WE are the driving plurality of this nation. But we don't behave cohesively, we squabble and argue over matters of policy, politics, religion, and - perhaps surprisingly to the casual observer - what constitutes an acceptable amount of gun control.

So, despite our numbers and potential power, the best we can do is garner a few million to join the biggest - not necessarily even the best - lobby organization on our behalf, the NRA. Which, despite having only a fraction of the number of gun owners in America join as members, is the most feared and influential lobby organization in the Capitol. Imagine what we could do if we held conferences and symposiums to gain consensus and really develop our political might - not even the most brazen politician would dare even mention the words 'gun control' or 'reasonable' or 'gun safety' - they'd be too afraid of the money thrown to their challenger and away from them. It's nice to dream.

 

[funeralweb]

Curious, what happens when they reach 50 posts that they desire it so much?

At 50 posts, those dirty filthy profiteering s all flock to the classifieds to sell their massive stockpiles of 22LR ammo for 10 cents/rd to unsuspecting willing buyers who already invested 25 cents/rd driving to every LGS and big box store for a year trying to find that elusive shipment of bulk packs.

 

[HeadlessRoland]

Just to be very clear...and I'm hesitant to post here as it's not my intention to pad a post count by hijacking the OP's topic but you've already done that...I have zero interest in the classified section. My only interest in this board is participating with like-minded folks in the exchange of ideas and information. Yeah, I noticed I was nearing 50 and commented on it. Big deal. The only thing I'm aware of that I'll gain by getting 50 is the ability to PM people, which of course would eliminate nonsense public posts like this. I get that you're a long time member with 20,000+ posts but a dismissive attitude towards new members just trying to fit in isn't exactly welcoming.

Don't take it personally, as I'm sure it wasn't meant to be a personal slight - it's just a very common pattern. After you've been here awhile, you will notice how common it truly is. You may well be the exception to the general rule, and so much the better for that, but there are a lot of new posters - particularly those who mention their early post counts - who engage in faux-discussion or posit something controversial in order to goad responses to which they then respond and push their count higher, and who then drop off the map and participate solely in the classifieds. You're here to discuss and engage in the exchange of ideas, and welcome to INGO, where places like ARFCOM and HoosierTopics wish they could be.

 

[level0]

Great observation!

If 1-2% of the entire adult population of this country who self-identifies as 'homosexual' (3-6 million) can change civil rights law, title IX, the millennia-old institution of marriage, and still claim that they're oppressed, 26-33% of the country who own guns (80-100 million) should be able to move mountains.

But where they focus and remain united, we occupy ourselves with things like: 9mm vs. .45ACP - which is clearly superior?; polymer pistols versus metal pistols - polymer will blow up in your face, my mama said so; OC is stupid, your mama told me so; CC is stupid, only OC is a sufficient deterrent to would-be attackers; and why Kahr is better than Glock is better than S&W is better than Ruger is better than Hi-Point is better than Jennings is better than a rock.

With even a slight bit more cohesion and unification - an admittedly impossible task - we would wield more political power and influence than any other "group" in the nation. No other faction comes close - not Mattachines, not socialists, not communists, not International Workers' Unions, not GLAAD, not Unitarians, not Catholics, not Protestants - WE are the driving plurality of this nation. But we don't behave cohesively, we squabble and argue over matters of policy, politics, religion, and - perhaps surprisingly to the casual observer - what constitutes an acceptable amount of gun control.

So, despite our numbers and potential power, the best we can do is garner a few million to join the biggest - not necessarily even the best - lobby organization on our behalf, the NRA. Which, despite having only a fraction of the number of gun owners in America join as members, is the most feared and influential lobby organization in the Capitol. Imagine what we could do if we held conferences and symposiums to gain consensus and really develop our political might - not even the most brazen politician would dare even mention the words 'gun control' or 'reasonable' or 'gun safety' - they'd be too afraid of the money thrown to their challenger and away from them. It's nice to dream.