You can tell a lot about a person by the company they keep.
As opposed to Fremen?
But, anyway, I think you might be deliberately being obtuse. Misogyny could be disagreeing in any way with a woman, or it could be groping, catcalling, and rape. Homophobia could be preferring not to approve of their lifestyle, or it could be physically attacking someone because they perceive the victim to be effeminate in some way. Greed could be wanting to keep the fruits of your labors, or it could be actively attempting to deny the opportunity of others to succeed as you did while pretending you had no assistance getting to where you (again, see our President), and violent domination could be simply defending yourself and your family, or it could be using physical intimidation to get your way from those around you (something just a common in the school yard as it is in the board room these days).
Since we live in an age of Brock Turner, Bill Cosby, Donald Trump/Bill Clinton and numerous others, I don't see much evidence that the people complaining about toxic masculinity are making things up or getting histrionic over nothing.
And yes, there are moronic SJWs out there, getting offended over ridiculous things. Of course, there seem to be plenty of "Conservative" snowflakes who cry just as hard over the hint of getting called out. So, there are whiners everywhere. That doesn't change the real problems we are dealing with.
Well, then problem solved. Clearly, we have no issues and we can all go home.
What?
What does who you personally hang out with have to do with all of our society? Also, I hate to break it to you, if you live in Indy, you are surrounded by a million or more people who you also don't normally hang out with. I don't know if you are married or if you have daughters, but what's your answer to them for how they are treated? Tough luck? Sorry honey, you shouldn't have had the audacity to go outside, but since you did, you got what you deserved?
I guess, I'm not really sure what you are getting at there. Are you really afraid that there is a secret (or not so secret) cabal out there to ruin men, and all the women (and other men) who have to bear the brunt of this bad behavior are just making it up? Do you want to go down to the Julian Center downtown and tell all the women there that they are liars and are just making up stories about how their husbands and boyfriends have beaten and abused them and their children? Why don't you ask all the police officers on the forum what they see on a daily basis. What kind of milk of human kindness they run into regularly.
If you are asking me to pat you on the back for not engaging in these behaviors or not hanging around those who do... I guess I can. I would just consider it being a decent human being, but if you need an attaboy to keep that up, then you got it.
Though you are free to doubt me, I am not doing this just to be obtuse. I have to wonder why the 'meaning' of terms such a misogyny and homophobia (itself internally a problem, as a phobia is an irrational fear) is allowed to be so over broad, fluid and sloppily defined. Does that not contribute to the misuse of the descriptors to make behaviors that are merely objectionable to SJWs seem to be some sort of social crime against all humanity? It all seems of a piece with the blurring of the meaning of such formerly concise words as Racist, Fascist, Nazi etc etc to be applicable to a much larger range of behaviors that do not toe the party line, to elevate them from possibly objectionable (depending upon present company) flaw to Nurembergian horrificness
It is hyperbole and a form of negative branding, an attempt to compel a certain pre-approved viewpoint from the citizenry at large. And to include Trump's name in the company of the likes of Cosby and Clinton is to allow sufficient leeway for me to include Dammer as a representative example of a homosexual. You make my case
WHITE Men are inherently bad. The cause of all the worlds problems.
There is an agenda behind all of this activity.
This (the latest "toxic masculinity" push) is all wrapped up with the radical left, identity politics, feminism, the war on men, etc. It's a huge black hole to delve into.
First of all, I am one of the police officers (retired) on the forum, so you can keep your smarmy righteousness to yourself. Unless you also have experience in the field, I've seen things that would probably make you wet yourself and rock back and forth in a corner sucking your thumb. Call me when you've stepped over a child lying on the floor with a bullet hole in their head at a crime scene.
If you don't know anything about radical feminism and its insidious agenda, do your own research. This Gillette ad isn't attacking a problem, it's attacking an entire gender based on the actions of a few. Kinda like when gun owners get attacked after a school shooting. Did you miss the part about "boys will be boys?" It plainly promotes the idea that all men are like this, and we need our betters (SJWs) to correct us from our Neanderthal behavior. Is anyone really responding to domestic violence and rape with "boys will be boys?" Give me a ****ing break.
If you think Donald Trump is a good role model for male behavior (particularly toward women), then I need to make a note to keep any women I care about away from you and your sons.
Anyway, feel free to disregard any of these terms entirely. But if you can agree that the specific behaviors called out in this razor commercial are bad (bullying the weak, groping/cat calling, otherwise treating women with disrespect) and you are willing to call out other men who engage in them, regardless of whether they are family, your best friend, or your hated political foe, then you are doing the right thing and providing a role model for younger men to follow. It doesn't matter whether you call it "fighting toxic masculinity" or whether you call it "chivalry" or just plain "being a good man".
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Thank God I don't have a daughter (yet)
You've obviously kept better company than I throughout the years.
I think it's worth looking at the origin of the ideas and deciding for yourself. People are quick to latch on to terms from psychiatry and other fields and then ascribe other meanings to them, which may not reflect the actual ideas and research that originated the term.
From the Wikipedia article (and of course, Wikipedia is really just a starting place, as it is a curated data source, so it can have biases inserted by whoever last updated the article):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemonic_masculinity#Toxic_masculinity
Terry Kupers defines toxic masculinity as "the constellation of socially regressive male traits that serve to foster domination, the devaluation of women, homophobia and wanton violence".[SUP][4][/SUP][SUP][70][/SUP] According to Kupers, toxic masculinity serves to outline aspects of hegemonic masculinity that are socially destructive, "such as misogyny, homophobia, greed, and violent domination". These traits are contrasted with more positive aspects of hegemonic masculinity such as "pride in [one's] ability to win at sports, to maintain solidarity with a friend, to succeed at work, or to provide for [one's] family".[SUP][4][/SUP]
Toxic masculine norms are a feature of life for men in American prisons, where they are reflected in the behaviour of both staff and inmates. The qualities of extreme self-reliance, domination of other men through violence, and avoiding the appearance of either femininityor weakness, comprise an unspoken code among prisoners.[SUP][71][/SUP][SUP][72][/SUP] Suppressing vulnerable emotions is often adopted in order to successfully cope with the harsh conditions of prison life, defined by punishment, social isolation, and aggression. These factors likely play a role in suicide among male prisoners.[SUP][71][/SUP][SUP][73][/SUP]
Bullying of boys by their peers and domestic violence experienced by boys at home can also be expressions of toxic masculinity.[SUP][74][/SUP] The often violent socialization of boys produces psychological trauma through the promotion of aggression and lack of intimate relations with others. Such trauma is often disregarded, such as in the saying "boys will be boys" with regard to bullying.[SUP][75][/SUP]
I'm sure if we sit down and have a heart-to-heart with that way, way, way less than 1% (less than .1%) of men who rape or grope, they'll change their ways.
According to some, we are surrounded by millions of them. Boys will be boys. Better make more YouTube ads.
I'm sure if we sit down and have a heart-to-heart with that way, way, way less than 1% (less than .1%) of men who rape or grope, they'll change their ways.
If Gillette wants to help out, maybe they should be be advocating for only having kids after marriage and then that fathers never, ever, leave their kids.
First of all, I am one of the police officers (retired) on the forum, so you can keep your smarmy righteousness to yourself. Unless you also have experience in the field, I've seen things that would probably make you wet yourself and rock back and forth in a corner sucking your thumb. Call me when you've stepped over a child lying on the floor with a bullet hole in their head at a crime scene.
If you don't know anything about radical feminism and its insidious agenda, do your own research. This Gillette ad isn't attacking a problem, it's attacking an entire gender based on the actions of a few. Kinda like when gun owners get attacked after a school shooting. Did you miss the part about "boys will be boys?" It plainly promotes the idea that all men are like this, and we need our betters (SJWs) to correct us from our Neanderthal behavior. Is anyone really responding to domestic violence and rape with "boys will be boys?" Give me a ****ing break.
Women (some women) are just as guilty in engaging in many of those same behaviors over their fellow women. So will Gillette be coming out with a similar ad for their Venus razors? Girls can be just as, if not more vicious than boys when it comes to bullying and belittling behavior. I await the new Venus ad with bated breath.
If you can tell me with a straight face you didn't see the consequences of these behaviors and what they lead to, in your time as a police officer, I'm just going to have to assume you must have been right there with HoughMade, patrolling the streets of Mayberry. Or maybe all the violent crimes were all committed by radical feminists on your beat.
Sexual Assault in the United States
https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics
Well, if that's true, that .1% (or even that 1%) sure get around. And I'm sure you can quibble with the statistics above, but even if they are off by an order of magnitude, your statement of the number of men out there who are the problem is massively understated.
- One in five women and one in 71 men will be raped at some point in their lives (a)
- In the U.S., one in three women and one in six men experienced some form of contact sexual violence in their lifetime (o)
- 51.1% of female victims of rape reported being raped by an intimate partner and 40.8% by an acquaintance (a)
- 52.4% of male victims report being raped by an acquaintance and 15.1% by a stranger (a)
- Almost half (49.5%) of multiracial women and over 45% of American Indian/Alaska Native women were subjected to some form of contact sexual violence in their lifetime (o)
- 91% of victims of rape and sexual assault are female, and nine percent are male (m)
- In eight out of 10 cases of rape, the victim knew the perpetrator (j)
- Eight percent of rapes occur while the victim is at work (c)