Would you guys use the government to force a printing company to print a 20 foot banner saying "THANK GOD FOR DEAD BABIES" for the Westboro Baptist Church so they could protest a kid's funeral?
They should get equal protection too, right?
No printing of an illegal, objectionable, or questionable nature....
To All,
My philosophical disagreement to folks who want to use religion as an excuse to not serve someone are overlooking the fact that the business is not a human being with a soul, it is a "person" in law only! As such, I do NOT believe businesses have rights. They DO have interests, but not rights as we do being human. Businesses do not have a soul nor do they have a conscience.
Many businesses (I would guess most) are corporations. As such, they have requested special treatment and protections from the government. The owners cannot easily legally lose private assets if they hurt or even kill someone. Why? Because the "corporation" did it, not the "person." Any person working at a corporation is legally working as an agent of the corporation, so the company will take most of the brunt and not the person.
So these folks that want to wear their religion on their sleeve want the government (with its laws regarding corporations) to give them LOTS of benefits, but at the same time they don't want the government to make them do things they don't like. Hypocrites all!
IF there is going to be an allowance for religious discrimination against anyone then I want to see it followed by a law forcing those companies to prominently post their biases where everyone can see it! Let them proudly and prominently exclaim that they will refuse service to gays, blacks, muslims, people who support abortion etc - whoever is on their "prohibited" list. I'd be OK with the free market and EVOLUTION weeding them out!
Would you guys use the government to force a printing company to print a 20 foot banner saying "THANK GOD FOR DEAD BABIES" for the Westboro Baptist Church so they could protest a kid's funeral?
They should get equal protection too, right?
No printing of an illegal, objectionable, or questionable nature. Take that **** down the street.
I'm sure there are other printers or people in any profession who would sell their soul for a dollar.
I'm not one of them.
My proposal from another thread was pretty simple. No, you aren't required to make custom items for anyone. Yes, you are required to sell goods you do make to anyone who's willing to pay the asking price. If you'd make a "Dead Babies" banner for Bill's Church than you must make one for Tim's Church. If you wouldn't make one for anyone, you don't have to make one for Bill's Church or Tim's Church.
That seems a pretty decent compromise to me. Everyone has equal access to the economy (unless we no longer believe supply vs demand sets price and thus limiting supply reduces the buying power of those who have been excluded).
No one is forced to make things that go against their beliefs. A chocolate chip cookie is a chocolate chip cookie, regardless of who buys it...but you don't have to draw two crossed dongs on it if you don't want.
That would work for me.
I won't bake a Charlie Schumer cake for anyone, so I should have to bake a Charlie Schumer cake for Charlie Schumer.
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My proposal from another thread was pretty simple. No, you aren't required to make custom items for anyone. Yes, you are required to sell goods you do make to anyone who's willing to pay the asking price. If you'd make a "Dead Babies" banner for Bill's Church than you must make one for Tim's Church. If you wouldn't make one for anyone, you don't have to make one for Bill's Church or Tim's Church.
That would work for me.
I won't bake a Charlie Schumer cake for anyone, so I should not have to bake a Charlie Schumer cake for Charlie Schumer.
If I were a business owner, I could not imagine turning down customers because of a belief. I am saying "no" to money and possibly future revenue if word gets out I did such a thing. I am throwing away money.
Unless you don't like money, don't discriminate.
My proposal from another thread was pretty simple. No, you aren't required to make custom items for anyone. Yes, you are required to sell goods you do make to anyone who's willing to pay the asking price. If you'd make a "Dead Babies" banner for Bill's Church than you must make one for Tim's Church. If you wouldn't make one for anyone, you don't have to make one for Bill's Church or Tim's Church.
That seems a pretty decent compromise to me. Everyone has equal access to the economy (unless we no longer believe supply vs demand sets price and thus limiting supply reduces the buying power of those who have been excluded).
No one is forced to make things that go against their beliefs. A chocolate chip cookie is a chocolate chip cookie, regardless of who buys it...but you don't have to draw two crossed dongs on it if you don't want.
And I will add:Genuinely free markets solve this kind of problem eventually.
Why is it okay for the government to force a bakery to bake a cake depicting a gay couple if the owner doesn't want to work for buyer? Would it be okay for the government to force a bakery owned by Jews to bake a cake with Nazi symbols and slogans? What about forcing a black bakery owner to bake a cake for a KKK party that has a nice photorealistic image of a lynching on it?
Sometimes I think the real problems is that some special interest groups choose to make examples of businesses that offend them for some reason. They know that in most cases the businesses can't afford the legal defense.
BYE! Kiss my butt, enough of all these do gooders threatening us if we don't buckle under to their pressure to do things THEIR way. They're the visitors and should be respectful as should any guest. Blackmail crap.
See ya later