Fox 59 - Several people were shot at Washington Square Mall

[Alpo]

Steak and Shake armed robbery, East Side.

That does it. I'm gonna start OC.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Hey BBI - seeing you post here made me wonder, if the original target wasn't "random" but the casualties (well, at least 1 of them) wasn't the intended target, would this get counted in your other data?

It seems like this would get tricky, definitionally. Probably better to rely on complete randomness - no known connection whatsoever, even if it limits the sample size.

No. There was no resistance. My stats do not include people who did not attempt to fight back. If I did that, the average round count would be .001 or something ridiculous like that and the stats would become meaningless. That's the issue I have with the big data collection pools like UCR and Justice Dept stats. They don't cull data, and if you average different types of events, you don't get a picture of any particular type of event.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Of course not, the mall is a GFZ.

There were guns present that were not fired, and I'll leave it at that for now.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Why hasn't the alleged shooter been identified at this point? The victim argued with the shooter, so he knows who it is. No info on news outlets, which means he's probably a ....

Ahhh fuggedaboutit. The news bureaus here are busy covering sports. No time to do hard news with facts.

While not commenting on this specific case, people who are shot multiple times aren't always available for initial statements immediately after the incident. While it's a fact many victims don't cooperate, it's early to make assumptions on this one that may or may not be warranted later based on information that is publicly available.

 

[451_Detonics]

I don't understand how this could happen, after all they have...and I quote..."we maintain a highly-trained staff that is prepared to respond to a variety of emergency situations. We take numerous proactive measures and coordinate very closely with local officials as a best practice."

insert purple as needed...

 

[pudly]

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[ArcadiaGP]

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[billmyn]

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So that's how you get 10,000 post. LOL

 

[LockStocksAndBarrel]

 

[ArcadiaGP]

So that's how you get 10,000 post. LOL

 

[Leadeye]

Simon mall is their property if they want to make it a gun free zone fine, however I would imagine that their lawyers have already placed calls downtown and tax payer financed security will be making it presence visible rather than private security financed by the mall owners.

You can get a lot farther with money and a connected law/lobby firm than you can with just money alone.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Why hasn't the alleged shooter been identified at this point? The victim argued with the shooter, so he knows who it is. No info on news outlets, which means he's probably a ....

Ahhh fuggedaboutit. The news bureaus here are busy covering sports. No time to do hard news with facts.

They need to start asking these "victims" if they're willing to identify the shooter. If (when) they say no, let 'em bleed out on the sidewalk.

 

[Alpo]

Saw a report on Ch13 WTHR. 2 perps. One very tall and thin. The other med height and thin. Maybe they should have bought cheeseburgers and malts rather than ammo.

 

[Denny347]

Such a shame for an area that was once a really nice place to be. As a kid, my aunt and uncle lived not far from there. We used to go Trick-or-Treating in their neighborhood with my cousins without a care in the world. Now, it's a place you don't want to be after dark, and even during daylight hours, it can be sketchy.

I've got mixed feelings about fleeing to the suburbs, because at one time, this WAS the suburbs. If all the good citizens leave, there will be no one left to make a stand. Then again, maybe there's not as much left in that area worth fighting for, which is why the folks who can afford to do so are leaving.

I live out here and it sure hasn't pushed me to move.

 

[Brandon]

Which part in the day light are you scared of Hopper, mall or neighborhood - and which neighborhood?

 

[printcraft]

A shooting at Washington Scare Mall?

 

[igotdiesel2]

Simon mall is their property if they want to make it a gun free zone fine, however I would imagine that their lawyers have already placed calls downtown and tax payer financed security will be making it presence visible rather than private security financed by the mall owners.

You can get a lot farther with money and a connected law/lobby firm than you can with just money alone.

Washington Square Mall is no longer a Simon run property. They sold it or let go of it or whatever about a year ago. I moved from Cumberland about 7 years ago. I haven't been to or even driven down Washington Street since. I used to go to that mall when I was a kid living in New Palestine. From where we lived out in the sticks, it was a hike getting there then. -Jason

 

[RobbyMaQ]

Word is Simon sold it to their lender.
This guy(s) been caught yet? I'd assume one of the victims knew the perp?

 

[igotdiesel2]

While not commenting on this specific case, people who are shot multiple times aren't always available for initial statements immediately after the incident. While it's a fact many victims don't cooperate, it's early to make assumptions on this one that may or may not be warranted later based on information that is publicly available.

BBI, I have to say having you and all the LEO's on this board sure gives some insite to what really happens when something like this happens. Thank you, and the other LEO's for sharing what you can. -Jason

 

[BehindBlueI's]

BBI, I have to say having you and all the LEO's on this board sure gives some insite to what really happens when something like this happens. Thank you, and the other LEO's for sharing what you can. -Jason

NP. This is one of those things that if it happened on a street corner at 42nd/Post it wouldn't even have made the local news. Only the setting makes it interesting to the media and to the masses. It is not an active shooter, it is not random violence, it's violence for the usual reasons that just happened to occur in a past-its-prime mall.