Good. ALL INGO 'libertarian' types should now, immediately, be shipped off to that 'land of milk and honey'. Voluntarily, or by force.
There have been plenty of attempts before.
OK.
I've not read the story about the new country. Don't need to to say what I want to say here.
There seems to be much trolling, if not baiting, of libertarians (small or large L, unimportant). All I can say is that there seem to be quite a few people on here who, for whatever reason, respect or otherwise like my approach to things. It's not about smoking pot. I don't and won't. It's not about purity or ethical discussions to no purpose; I enjoy the discussions, but they're an intellectual exercise for me, considering the society in which we all live, controlled by the twin facets of the same party.
What it's about, for me, is a "live and let live" motto. What you do that affects no one but you is your business. What you do that affects me, to the extent that it does, is at least in part, my business. That said, I may respond to force initiated, but won't do so myself. I may not agree with someone's approach to a problem, (example: "There oughta be a law!" (I disagree. We have too many of those.)) but I don't have to agree with you. I will probably oppose the law you want to pass, given that approach to it.
I don't want government protecting businesses. I don't want it targeting them, either. I don't want government in my home, in my bedroom, on my computer, or in peoples' bodies. I want my government as small and inefficient as possible, except when it comes to protecting the rights of the citizenry.
This is my approach to libertarianism (small L only; it has nothing to do with the organized party.)
Perhaps I'm still one of the people some of you would not want to have anything to do with; perhaps I'm still one that some of you would cheerfully ship off somewhere.
So I have to ask... What's so objectionable about either libertarians or libertarianism? Is it that difficult to fathom the idea of people living with mutual respect for each others' rights?
Blessings,
Bill
OK.
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Perhaps I'm still one of the people some of you would not want to have anything to do with; perhaps I'm still one that some of you would cheerfully ship off somewhere.
So I have to ask... What's so objectionable about either libertarians or libertarianism? Is it that difficult to fathom the idea of people living with mutual respect for each others' rights?
Blessings,
Bill
The whole point of this thread is to troll libertarians, I'm just having fun with it. We're a lot less snarky in real life than on the Internet, I swear. No one wants to have an honest discussion anyway, it's just utopia this and pot smokers that...
all you did was post a link. No opinions or commentary. Maybe your intentions were pure, but judging by the post quality in this thread, it was just troll bait.
If you wanted freedom and liberty, and a smaller, more fiscally responsible government you would surely vote for it. Right?
Since you vote against that I have to assume it's not what you want despite all you might say here on INGO.
I do want to address these points. First off no one promised utopia, that's a weak strawman. Second, it's not about purity, it's about consistency. Republicans and democrats are all about "freedom for me, but not for thee". Libertarians support freedom for all even if means freedom to do things we don't like. That consistency is one of the things that differentiates us from the statist parties.
I beleive you just proved Jamil's point
Meh, I have my own patch of woodland. Here my subjects are the squirrels, raccoons, birds and deer, it's good to be the king.
I don't go out of my way to talk to politics outside of INGO, so I've only met and discussed politics with one Libertarian (that I'm aware of) in person. He was as obnoxious as many of those I've met online here. And no, I would not vote for you either.
The king dispenses justice on the unruly. This one was caught stealing my vegetables.
Well I have good news. I'm not running for office. It's okay if you don't want freedom. It's okay if you don't want liberty. It's okay if you don't want smaller, more responsible government. You're not voting for it, so you're consistent in that at least.
To All,
Moving someplace where the majority of people agree with me would be boring! I much prefer a good, well-mannered debate to a church choir that sings only to itself.
Besides, there is much work to do out here in the real world to ever consider moving to Utopia.
Regards,
Doug
somebody rep this guy for me
I took it that he was referring to both sides, that perhaps conservatives are as obnoxious. Or I could be wrong and he meant that only conservatives are obnoxious and libertarians are precious flowers.The fact that you didn't quote anyone, but your post was directly after mine and was seemingly related to what i posted.
Someone stated early on that it's not libertarianism that is so objectionable, it's that many libertarians come off as obnoxious. To me, it's probably the absolute language that I find obnoxious. I think libertarians tend to think speaking in absolutes makes them consistent, and it does, but not in the way they think it does.OK.
Perhaps I'm still one of the people some of you would not want to have anything to do with; perhaps I'm still one that some of you would cheerfully ship off somewhere.
So I have to ask... What's so objectionable about either libertarians or libertarianism? Is it that difficult to fathom the idea of people living with mutual respect for each others' rights?
Blessings,
Bill
Bill,
I think objections often result from the usual confirmation bias. As soon as you oppose somebody's program, their politicians sing out that the result will be apocalyptic.
Have you also noticed that the strawman of utopia is often used when a libertarian concept is presented?
My perspective is that the purpose of government is to preserve individual liberty: this includes a person's life, liberty, and property. If you use direct harm as the metric for liberty, it is very rare that rights conflict. And it is then very rare that people are shown favoritism. That basis (or the basis that you discussed) are rarely presented as the libertarian viewpoint by those who think they should fear libertarian concepts. They instead use a bad example like Somalia, which is really a case of tyrannical government, albeit in a different form than we are used to.
This isn't surprising. It's always been easier to get people outraged in a mob-mentality format than to get people to discuss realities.
Most people are not equipped to accurately or effectively mock or ridicule anyone who falls outside the limits of the typical left/right political designation
Yet they try ...oh do some of them try!