Actualy what I was getting at.
But yes I am more than positive there have been times when I knew for a fact I did get the bottom dollar from the salesman, so it can happen.
Well the way I look at it is this:
A salesman can make a few hundred dollars of commission selling a car today, or he can hope to make more off of someone else and say no. More than once I have had a car salesman change his mind on his "bottom dollar" when he saw me (and my money) walking away...
The way I see it it's a win-win. You get a good deal, and I'm very doubtful a salesman will take any kind of loss, no matter what he tells you.