Evangelicals Hijack Education In Texas (And Beyond)

[mrjarrell]

This story just points up the main reason we need separation of church and state at all levels. When evangelicals get their paws on things they know nothing about they immediately go about rewriting history to suit their own warped view points.The sad thing is that these text books are used by many states outside of Texas, probably even in Indiana. The kids get robbed of a real education on a daily basis and these people want to make it worse. Leftists do a bad enough job, but the far right evangelicals are even worse.

via The Guardian

Several changes include sidelining Thomas Jefferson, who favoured separation of church and state, while introducing a new focus on the "significant contributions" of pro-slavery Confederate leaders during the civil war.
The new curriculum asserts that "the right to keep and bear arms" is an important element of a democratic society. Study of Sir Isaac Newton is dropped in favour of examining scientific advances through military technology.
There is also a suggestion that the anti-communist witch-hunt by Senator Joseph McCarthy in the 1950s may have been justified.
The education board has dropped references to the slave trade in favour of calling it the more innocuous "Atlantic triangular trade", and recasts the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as driven by Islamic fundamentalism.

 

[88GT]

Excepting the pro-slavery bent, what's the problem?

Elections have consequences. I'm guessing that parents got tired of their children being indoctrinated with homosexual aggrandizing, anti-American hostility, and the notion that the government is the answer to everything.

Sure, the pendulum has probably swung a little farther than it should have to rectify those things, but it's never going to center itself in a place that pleases both (any) sides of the issue.

If you don't like it, do what she did and work to take it back. Or better yet, homeschool your children and control it all.

FWIW, TJ didn't see it as a separation of church and state to the extent that the latter was never influenced the former, but as a limitation on government in the affairs of religion. It wasn't for keeping religion out of government but keeping government out of religion. He would have had no problems with a little prayer in the Congress now and then. To say otherwise is to partake in a little rewriting of history yourself.

 

[cedartop]

You've got to be kidding me. Check out some of the scores on standardized testing between public schools and christian private schools, then come tell me their education is hurting. The christian schools also do it with less money.

 

[HICKMAN]

Thank you Bill Maher, would you show me this "separation of church and state" in the Constitution please?

"Another seeks to place Martin Luther King and the violent Black Panther movement as opposite sides of the same coin."

Makes sense to me, being that MLK's sister says he was a Conservative.

 

[redneckmedic]

would someone show me this "separation of church and state" in the Constitution please?

Or why since it has always been the standard, Church has always been involved in state until just recently? I think the more popular concept, which is also the reason we left Europe to begin with is that we want State separated from our church. Sometimes the simplest answer is also the correct one.

 

[TiminMishawaka]

I want to see this curriculum. The Guardian is a very biased source.

 

[LEaSH]

Texas pentacostals are like taliban light.

 

[jnicol6600]

sounds like alot of spin to me

 

[miguel]

I work for an international educational publisher and can confirm they are all ****ting bricks over the new Texas guidelines. At their core, these people (my employers) are statists and hypocrites of the worst sort. I'm talking about the "citizens of the world" crowd...people whose allegiance is pushing "the environment", "hope" and "change" rather than selling educational products that cover "reading, writing and arithmetic". These same people think it's OK for government to take our tax dollars to fund their own eggheaded agendas, but it's not OK for parents to vote people onto a school board who reflect the overall values of the community they represent.

Having worked with these people for many years, I can say that anything they are in a tizzy over is, in general, good for our students and schools.

 

[smoking357]

This story just points up the main reason we need separation of church and state at all levels. When evangelicals get their paws on things they know nothing about they immediately go about rewriting history to suit their own warped view points.The sad thing is that these text books are used by many states outside of Texas, probably even in Indiana. The kids get robbed of a real education on a daily basis and these people want to make it worse. Leftists do a bad enough job, but the far right evangelicals are even worse.

via The Guardian

Evangelicals are scary, uneducated, anti-intellectual, and dangerous.

They need to be kept very far from where serious thought is conducted. They engage in anti-Logic. They start with their conclusions, and they manufacture the premises to support the conclusions.

 

[antsi]

The new curriculum asserts that "the right to keep and bear arms" is an important element of a democratic society.

Pretty dang subversive right there.

Let's go back to ideologically neutral left wing schooling, so the kids can be indoctrinated that gun owners are violent nut jobs and the people's right to keep and bear arms really means the government's right to have a National Guard.

 

[PatriotPride]

Evangelicals are scary, uneducated, anti-intellectual, and dangerous.

They need to be kept very far from where serious thought is conducted. They engage in anti-Logic. They start with their conclusions, and they manufacture the premises to support the conclusions.

You know, the same could be said about you. I know this thread was doomed from the start, but can you at least make an intelligent assertion here instead of spouting hateful rhetoric? An original thought or two wouldn't hurt. Sounds like you've had your brain washed a time or two too many. Please, enlighten us and defend your position with something more than mindless rhetoric.

 

[mettle]

This story just points up the main reason we need separation of church and state at all levels. When evangelicals get their paws on things they know nothing about they immediately go about rewriting history to suit their own warped view points.The sad thing is that these text books are used by many states outside of Texas, probably even in Indiana. The kids get robbed of a real education on a daily basis and these people want to make it worse. Leftists do a bad enough job, but the far right evangelicals are even worse.

via The Guardian

yes, everyone who is religious or has ties to a church should be lined against the wall and shot...

I'll get you you're rifle Judge Dredd...

perfect in every way aren't you folks... ?

 

[Roadie]

See! No Christian bashing on this Forum, no Sir!

 

[Manan]

A little good old fashioned religion keeps a good man in due bounds. The socialist statist have gone well beyond the line and have gone too far for middle Americans. Now they whine when they can't control the well overdue backlash.

 

[patton487]

Way to go Texas!!!!!!

 

[SemperFiUSMC]

I hate feediong the trolls, but I must.

So Evangelicals start with their conclusion and manufacture the premise to support the conclusion. And what exactly is the theory of evolution? Man evolved from apes. OK, I'll buy it. Answer these couple questions and I'll even believe it.

Isn't the concept of a "missing link" simply manufacturing an unprovable premise to suppport the conclusion of evolution?
What did apes evolve from?
What is the missing link between them?
What did they evolve from?
What is the missing link between them?
What did they evolve from?
What is the missing link between them?
What did they evolve from?
What is the missing link between them?
What did they evolve from?
What is the missing link between them?
...
Where and what is the missing link between the paramecium and amoeba?
Which came first? The plant that respirates CO2 and exhales the poison O2 or the animal that respirates O2 and expels the poisonous gas CO2?
How did evolution accomplish the transformation from asexual to sexual reproduction?
If it's settled why isn't it called the Law of Evolution?
Why are leftistas afraid of teaching two competing theories, one of which has been espoused for thousands of years and the other for tens of decades (the latter which btw was premised only to disprove the former) neither of which are proven (hence not laws)?

Evangelicals are scary, uneducated, anti-intellectual, and dangerous.

They need to be kept very far from where serious thought is conducted. They engage in anti-Logic. They start with their conclusions, and they manufacture the premises to support the conclusions.

 

[irishfan]

I hate feediong the trolls, but I must.

So Evangelicals start with their conclusion and manufacture the premise to support the conclusion. And what exactly is the theory of evolution? Man evolved from apes. OK, I'll buy it. Answer these couple questions and I'll even believe it.

Where and what is the missing link between the paramecium and amoeba?
Which came first? The plant that respirates CO2 and exhales the poison O2 or the animal that respirates O2 and expels the poisonous gas CO2?
How did evolution accomplish the transformation from asexual to sexual reproduction?
If it's settled why isn't it called the Law of Evolution?
Why are leftistas afraid of teaching two competing theories, one of which has been espoused for thousands of years and the other for tens of decades (the latter which btw was premised only to disprove the former) neither of which are proven (hence not laws)?

I do not believe in evolution nor do I think it has ever been proven true but some preachers are out there to. I had one here that gave his lesson on how dinosaurs are a lie and created by evolutionists to give them credit. I thought...man those are some creative guys or you are a whack job

 

[88GT]

I hate feediong the trolls, but I must.

So Evangelicals start with their conclusion and manufacture the premise to support the conclusion. And what exactly is the theory of evolution? Man evolved from apes. OK, I'll buy it. Answer these couple questions and I'll even believe it.

Isn't the concept of a "missing link" simply manufacturing an unprovable premise to suppport the conclusion of evolution?
What did apes evolve from?
What is the missing link between them?
What did they evolve from?
What is the missing link between them?
What did they evolve from?
What is the missing link between them?
What did they evolve from?
What is the missing link between them?
What did they evolve from?
What is the missing link between them?
...
Where and what is the missing link between the paramecium and amoeba?
Which came first? The plant that respirates CO2 and exhales the poison O2 or the animal that respirates O2 and expels the poisonous gas CO2?
How did evolution accomplish the transformation from asexual to sexual reproduction?
If it's settled why isn't it called the Law of Evolution?
Why are leftistas afraid of teaching two competing theories, one of which has been espoused for thousands of years and the other for tens of decades (the latter which btw was premised only to disprove the former) neither of which are proven (hence not laws)?

Where is dark matter?

Your attempt to discredit evolution with that logic is flawed: absence of evidence in not evidence of absence.

Guess someone needs to let physicists know that their General Theory of Relativity is no longer valid since it's not a Law.

Darwinian evolution has been around for about 150 years now, and contrary to you misinformed statement was NOT premised to disprove the former. Darwin was a believer on some level and had no interest in capsizing the status quo regarding origin of life. Which brings me to your middle point: they are NOT competing theories as NOTHING in evolution touches on the origin of life, or even the origin of the universe. Creationism and evolution are NOT two sides of the same coin. And neither are they mutually exclusive.

This is why I hate having this discussing with people who don't want to believe it. They are, at the very least, grossly misinformed about the theory and exactly what it says, or worse, they willfully misrepresent it in an attempt to discredit it.

But for ****s and giggles, can you define a species? Particularly, can you define a species as it is used when discussing evolution?

 

[hoosiertriangle]

This is unacceptable broad brush painting and I'm grossly offended. My respect for your thoughts has been destroyed by this statement and my tolerance for your thoughts has been greatly diminished.

Evangelicals are scary, uneducated, anti-intellectual, and dangerous.

They need to be kept very far from where serious thought is conducted. They engage in anti-Logic. They start with their conclusions, and they manufacture the premises to support the conclusions.