"enemy belligerent" ----scary stuff

[E5RANGER375]

The reason many states won't quit sending money to the fed is because they get more back then they send. That's the way the bureaucrats want it. They don't have to pass laws to get the states in line. They just just hold the carrot out on the stick and say you won't get it if you don't comply.

well some stated recently refused federal bailout money, so that was a start maybe?? i agree if we let politics as usual make our decisions it will end in tragedy

 

[HICKMAN]

I see those who normally just b*tch about the system are doing what they normally do.

Would have been whining 200 years ago and would be whining 200 years from now.

I don't give two 's about this naturalized Paki any more than I would about a child rapist that kidnapped my daughter.

Yup, I support waterboarding, razor's to the skin and electricity to the nuts if need be. This guys citizenship and rights should be revoked the minute they caught him in terrorism activity.

This d-bag should have been on a terror watch list, not getting citizenship, send his azz to Gitmo and get to work on him.

 

[E5RANGER375]

I don't give two 's about this naturalized Paki any more than I would about a child rapist that kidnapped my daughter.

Yup, I support waterboarding, razor's to the skin and electricity to the nuts if need be. This guys citizenship and rights should be revoked the minute they caught him in terrorism activity.

This d-bag should have been on a terror watch list, not getting citizenship, send his azz to Gitmo and get to work on him.

i agree and rep sent

 

[Bill of Rights]

During the 08 campaign, we all remember hearing of the phone calls:

"We can count on your support for Barack Obama for President, can't we?"
"Um, no, y-"
"WHY NOT!?!? How can you be so racist as to not want a Black man to be President?!?!"

I did not get one of those calls, but I would happily have answered, "No problem. Run Alan Keyes and he'll have my vote. It has nothing to do with his color and everything to do with his politics."

I voted against Obama, choosing the person I thought had the best chance of keeping him out of office. That happened to be the old guy running with Sarah Palin on his ticket.

Bigum hit the nail on the head. See... We knew without a shadow of a doubt that one of the two of them was going to win the election. Whether you (any of you) voted or not, whether you voted for or against McCain, for or against Obama, for or against Baldwin, it didn't matter. Either McCain or Obama was going to be declared the 44th President.

I could have voted against both of them. I could have written in whoever I wanted. You, the reader, might not consider either voting Libertarian or Constitution Party or voting a write-in as being a wasted vote. That is your right to think so. I would have considered that vote wasted. Turns out that it didn't matter how anyone voted that didn't vote for Barry Hussein... Even with all the third party and write ins, we're told Barry got the most votes.

I will not under any circumstance apologize for any vote I've cast since I became aware of the idiotic way I used to think. I did my part to keep an anti-American socialist-leaning friend of terrorists who has no business occupying the office to which he has no claim. It is, as Bigum said, strategy and tactics, not ideology.

I find myself in this discussion, reminded of a phrase quoted here on occasion... From either Firefly or Serenity, I forget which, and speaking of the Browncoats: May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

To be very clear on that point, the two sides were "Obama" and "everyone else", or if you prefer, "Obama" and "America".

McCain has gone way wrong with this bill. He proposes that which is unConstitutional and his motivation in doing so, I cannot begin to guess. That said, however.... Had he taken the election in November of 08, I think it is fair to say we would not have seen the bills we've seen, and we damn sure would not have seen someone purporting to be the President of the United States bowing and scraping subserviently before the leaders of other sovereign nations.

I didn't like my vote, but it was the most American thing I could do. I do not and will not apologize for doing that.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[thompal]

Every one of you republicrats that bad mouthed us for not voting for the lesser of two evils the last election, please stand up.

I'm not convinced that McCain was the "lesser" of the two evils. At least O'Bama hasn't proposed American Gulags, such as McCain's bill would introduce.

To you folks who think that the Republicans are the defenders of the Constitution, and a Republican president is always the best, read that quote from McCain again, and ponder for a moment if HE was president now.

 

[thompal]

But how many of you will actively vote to depose a republican?

It's an easy test: if they are in office now, they will not get my vote. If they are not currently in office, I will examine what they say, and their history, and decide on that basis.

The default choice will be for any Libertarian.

 

[thompal]

I don't give two 's about this naturalized Paki any more than I would about a child rapist that kidnapped my daughter.

This d-bag should have been on a terror watch list, not getting citizenship, send his azz to Gitmo and get to work on him.

He WAS on the watch list! Apparently, updates are sent via an internet forum or newsgroup, and it seems that nobody actually reads that forum or newsgroup.

 

[SavageEagle]

I'm not convinced that McCain was the "lesser" of the two evils. At least O'Bama hasn't proposed American Gulags, such as McCain's bill would introduce.

To you folks who think that the Republicans are the defenders of the Constitution, and a Republican president is always the best, read that quote from McCain again, and ponder for a moment if HE was president now.

Someone PLEASE show me SOMEONE on this forum that says that the Republicans and a R POTUS is ALWAYS best. I've yet to see ANYONE claim this. So I'm not sure who you and others are always saying this too.

As Bigum, Bill, and I have said, McCain might not have been the best choice, but he was the best choice of the two. There's no way this bill will pass, and there's no way he could pass it if he were POTUS. But we wouldn't have the HCB, the current spending crisis, and all this other crap they're pushing.

However, I'm still very pissed at all the R's because the majority of them said, many times, that they would have passed the HCB if it had only included this, or that, or didn't have this, or that. The R's we have in office NOW are no better than the D's we have in office now.

If we don't vote out ALL career politicians, nothing is going to change. It doesn't matter if they're in office this go around, or, like Hostettler, have been there before. We need new blood. People who've never been to Washington before. Doesn't matter Party, as long as they're going to uphold the Constitution.

Sure, some will say one thing and do another. Then we know we don't want them back next cycle and find someone else.

If this can't happen on a National scale, we're doomed to the destruction of the Country we all know and love. It's really that simple. Call me wrong all you want, but you can't PROVE I'm wrong because it's just never happened before. Not on a National Scale all in the same cycle or even in a 4 year period.

 

[Paco Bedejo]

I did my part to keep an anti-American socialist-leaning friend of terrorists who has no business occupying the office to which he has no claim.

Oddly, I still see Obama & McCain as two sides of the same coin. This proposed bill is evidence that I wasn't far from the truth.

I didn't spend my vote in the hope that a third party could win this election. I spent it in the hope that a third party could get public financing the next go-round. I felt that the Libertarian Party had the best shot at that in '09, so I voted for Barr, knowing full-well that he had no shot in hell of winning the '08 election. If everyone who voted "lesser of two evils" (false dichotomy imo) chose instead to support a third party, they would get the votes required to secure public financing in the next POTUS election.

It honestly didn't matter to me which federalist, fascist wanna-be took office in January '09. I just wanted that third choice in '12.

 

[thompal]

If everyone who voted "lesser of two evils" (false dichotomy imo) chose instead to support a third party, they would get the votes required to secure public financing in the next POTUS election.

As my dad pointed out to me during one of our political discussions when I was a teenager, if you vote for "the lesser of two evils," you are still voting for evil.

 

[SavageEagle]

As my dad pointed out to me during one of our political discussions when I was a teenager, if you vote for "the lesser of two evils," you are still voting for evil.

And in this case, with the POTUS election, it didn't matter who you voted for. You were still going to GET evil. I made the mistake of voting for McCain and not Ron Paul. I should have voted for him, but it still didn't matter either way.

It STILL doesn't matter. We got a turd to deal with now. Lets not make the same mistake next time.

 

[Paco Bedejo]

I made the mistake of voting for McCain and not Ron Paul. I should have voted for him, but it still didn't matter either way.

Are you talking about the Republican Primary?

 

[MadBomber]

Although I don't think McCain's bill has a chance in hell of passing, the fact that he is a proponent of it makes me glad he didn't win in 08. A McCain presidency, along with a congressional majority, would have ensured it's passage. And if anyone doubts that, take a look back at the onerous Patriot Act.
For me, this is further proof of the critical need for term-limits. We are in the mess we're in due to career politicians and our own apathy. The left hated two terms of Reagan and Bush, the right hated two terms of Clinton and, so far, the one term of Obama. Regardless of your opinion on those Presidents, we always make it thru their terms. The real danger is in the 10 to 30 year, or longer, members of congress. They morph into an entrenched, elite, power that has forgotten who they work for. Presidents worry about their legacy and get most of the coverage in the history books. Bush will forever be tagged with the Patriot Act but how many people know or remember that it was Jon Kyl, Dianne Fienstein, Chuck Schumer and Orrin Hatch, among others on both sides of the aisle, that first introduced the bill? George Bush has completed his service to our country but the other four are still rolling along.
When the 112th Congress is convened in January, we as a people, not as a party, need to demand the introduction of a bill proposing term limits for all members of congress. We do this by flooding every office of every member with faxes, phone calls, and emails. When a member of congress appears at a public event, we ask for their support. We write letters to the editor of every newspaper, big and small. We let everyone know that we will no longer tolerate career politicians that have abandoned whatever principles they once held in order to keep their snouts firmly in the public trough. Only when we eliminate career politicians can we move on to the next step in restoring the Constitution.

 

[Garb]

Every one of you republicrats that bad mouthed us for not voting for the lesser of two evils the last election, please stand up.

 

[teknickle]

And in this case, with the POTUS election, it didn't matter who you voted for. You were still going to GET evil. I made the mistake of voting for McCain and not Ron Paul. I should have voted for him, but it still didn't matter either way.

It STILL doesn't matter. We got a turd to deal with now. Lets not make the same mistake next time.

Didn't any self-proclaimed conservative find it odd that the likes of Gulianni, Fred Thompson and John McCain were on a conservative ticket?
What fantasy world are YOU from?
Huckabee, Paul and Romney all fit the profile, but not the other guys.

And the Democratic ticket was the same joke. Candidates with purpose like Keyes and Kuccinich were pushed into corner for more appropriate puppets that already had Brzinski's hand in the cavity.

I was part of the Ron Paul Grassroots campaign, and of course voted for liberty in the primaries. But due to the Grand Ole Party being just as corrupt as the DNC, McCain was on the ballot.
See, McCain didn't even have enough signatures on the petition to actually be on the ticket in the Republican primaries.

Didn't matter, because they just signed on 'their boy' McCain and he slid 'to victory' in the primaries (which if you understand the electoral college, the primaries meant ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. N-O-T-H-I-N-G!)
And NO, delegates are not 'bound'..they just will get kicked out of the party if they do not tow the popular line. And when the Republican conventions caught wind that the Ron Paul campaign was not only aware of this truth, but had loaded delegates...they literally just shut down conventions. (lesson: even if you can't win by your own cheating...cheat some more)

And before some blind follower of the Democratic party pipes up "that's why I chose..." BS. Stupid is as stupid does. Dennis Kuchinich was a decent dem and got railroaded by the favored picks.

I also was an inspector during the Nov elections and quite sickened by the absolute ignorance and stupidity of 90% of the people out there.
Yes, 90% is a bit conservative figure.

If you get your "information" from the idiot box hanging on your living room wall, and hope-against-hope that liberty will embrace your bossom and whisper in your ear...then you are living in land of Oz.

Bottom line:
McCain and Obama are 2 sides of same coin that seek to strip you of your GOD-GIVEN liberties and rights.
The Constitution does not give you these rights.
The Constitution is supposed to smack the Federal Govt upside the head and say "hey, you can't do that! these people have rights endowed to them by their Creator and you are NOBODY to take that away".

Instead, we get people arguing over the most stupid talking points of how their party would do x and z. None of which it is supposed to do.
But, they feed the beast and give it more power. Larger armies, greater reach and a blind following of slaves that now depend on that machine.

It is funny because the Jim Crow laws (you know, the outlandish laws on firearms, voting, speeding, etc) passed along because "don't worrry, that is just for the black folk...it don't apply to us".
Well, guess what. The qualifiers changed and then it DID apply to all.
Same with "terrorists". You want laws that treat these "3rd world gangsters" like subhuman? Fine. Now YOU are categorized as a terrorist and YOU will be stripped of any rights you had left.

What is the solution?
Study real history.
Stand up for your rights.
Stop voting for what favors your opinion and instead ensure liberty for EVERYONE.

 

[evansvillethompsongunner]

Eric Holder and Oblama think our Miranda rights are over-rated and need lessening.

This is fact, they're using pre-emption and 'the needs of the many' and 'public safety' as a tactic to avoid obeying the rule-of-law.

Treason and infringement of our innate rights writ large, gentlemen.

 

[level.eleven]

Eric Holder and Oblama think our Miranda rights are over-rated and need lessening.

This is fact, they're using pre-emption and 'the needs of the many' and 'public safety' as a tactic to avoid obeying the rule-of-law.

Treason and infringement of our innate rights writ large, gentlemen.

John McCain and Lindsey Graham, both Republicans, are right there with them. This idea has "bi-partisan" support.