"enemy belligerent" ----scary stuff

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  • mettle

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    McCain Proposes Indefinite Detention Without Trial for Citizens


    Written by Thomas R. Eddlem Sunday, 18 April 2010 18:30
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    Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) has introduced a bill that would allow the President to imprison an unlimited number of American citizens (as well as foreigners) indefinitely without trial. Known as The Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010, or S. 3081, the bill authorizes the President to deny a detainee a trial by jury simply by designating that person an “enemy belligerent.”
    The bill, which has eight cosponsors, explicitly names U.S. citizens as among those who can be detained indefinitely without trial:
    An individual, including a citizen of the United States, determined to be an unprivileged enemy belligerent ... may be detained without criminal charges and without trial for the duration of hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners in which the individual has engaged, or which the individual has purposely and materially supported, consistent with the law of war and any authorization for the use of military force provided by Congress pertaining to such hostilities. [Emphasis added.]
    Note that the Bush administration once said that the so-called “war on terror” would last a generation or more, and the U.S. military has officially classified many former Guantanamo detainees, such as England's Tipton Three, as having “returned to the battlefield” for merely granting an interview for the movie The Road to Guantanamo. Another five innocent Uighur (Ethnic Turkish Muslims from China) detainees had been listed as having “returned to the battlefield” after their release because their lawyer had written an op-ed protesting their prolonged detention without trial after they had been mistakenly picked up by a greedy bounty hunter. Writing an opinion or speaking an opinion against the party in power in Washington can — and already has — made some people “enemy belligerents.”
    The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution requires that “No person shall ... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law,” and the Sixth Amendment stipulates the due process of law that all are required to receive:
    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
    The requirement for a jury trial has no exceptions for military reasons, and doesn't even exempt foreigners. It simply employs the phrase “all criminal prosecutions,” words that unequivocally apply to the military and civilian justice systems, as well as to both citizens and foreigners. The Founding Fathers truly applied Christ's command to “Do to others whatever you would have them do to you,” but John McCain's new bill wouldn't even do to American citizens what we would assume were basic rights. There is no greater tyranny than indefinite imprisonment at the whim of an executive without legal recourse, and that is precisely what McCain and eight other senators would impose upon America.
    McCain defended his bill in a speech on the Senate floor March 4, stating:
    The legislation would authorize detention of enemy belligerents without criminal charges for the duration of the hostilities consistent with standards under the law of war which have been recognized by the Supreme Court. Importantly, if a decision is made to hold a criminal trial after the necessary intelligence information is obtained, the bill mandates trial by military commission where we are best able to protect U.S. national security interests, including sensitive classified sources and methods, as well as the place and the people involved in the trial itself.
    In other words, the right to trial by jury guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution would no longer be a right. The bill would mandate “military commissions” rather than a jury trial, if and when the President deems to hold a “trial.” Under McCain's legislation, trial by jury wouldn't just be a privilege that the President could withdraw at a whim, the President would be required to deny jury trials. The right to trial by jury would be denied entirely! Of course, any American could be held for decades without trial or even being charged with a crime under McCain's bill.
    Cosponsors of the bill include Democrat/independent Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut and Republicans Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma, Jeff Sessions of Alabama, Scott Brown of Massachusetts, Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, David Vitter of Louisiana, George LeMieux of Florida, and Roger Wicker of Mississippi. Those cosponsoring this outright attack on the Bill of Rights are those same Republican neo-conservatives who have dominated the GOP for the last decade or more. Conservative constitutionalists need to reassert control of the Republican Party and purge this cancer from the party and the U.S. Senate, if they wish to retain their freedoms.
     

    hornadylnl

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    Every one of you republicrats that bad mouthed us for not voting for the lesser of two evils the last election, please stand up.
     

    hornadylnl

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    I'm guessing most of those on here preaching that we needed to vote for McCain are also the same ones preaching the lesser of two evils strategy for our senate primary race now.
     

    E5RANGER375

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    this is a repost, but im glad someone else saw this. original thread posted by smokingman. <<< THANKS TO HIM!!!!!

    i called half of the senate so far and A LOT of reps, asking them to NOT vote on this if it comes before them. this is a HIGHLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL BILL.
     

    Lars

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    This will mark the first election I'm voting for "right" rather than "the lesser of two evils" If right doesn't exist I won't cast a vote in that race.
     

    level.eleven

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    I'm guessing most of those on here preaching that we needed to vote for McCain are also the same ones preaching the lesser of two evils strategy for our senate primary race now.

    I was thinking the same thing the other day but didn't want to start that discussion again, at least at that time. Following the logic presented in the past, Republicans should be throwing thier support behind Coats because he has the strongest chance to win the election against the Democrat. He has the party machine behind him with major endorsements from Pence, Thompson, etc. He has the most cash and will recieve even more from the party machine. He is connected to the lobbyists and has decades of corporate ties that will surely benefit his election come November. He also has major name recognition from Main Street to Wall Street. If your goal is beating Democrats, Coats is your man.
     

    E5RANGER375

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    I was thinking the same thing the other day but didn't want to start that discussion again, at least at that time. Following the logic presented in the past, Republicans should be throwing thier support behind Coats because he has the strongest chance to win the election against the Democrat. He has the party machine behind him with major endorsements from Pence, Thompson, etc. He has the most cash and will recieve even more from the party machine. He is connected to the lobbyists and has decades of corporate ties that will surely benefit his election come November. He also has major name recognition from Main Street to Wall Street. If your goal is beating Democrats, Coats is your man.

    theres good democrats, libs, republicans, etc, but right now at this moment and for decades now, the BAD ones of ALL partys have been in control. the republicans and democrats have been working together hand in hand to destroy our republic America! shame on all of them. im not the kind that gonna ask for a party card to FIRE them for doing a BAD JOB. im just gonna look at their voting record. the R or D or L or I makes no difference to me. they all stand for CRAP.
     

    Son of Liberty

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    theres good democrats, libs, republicans, etc, but right now at this moment and for decades now, the BAD ones of ALL partys have been in control. the republicans and democrats have been working together hand in hand to destroy our republic America! shame on all of them. im not the kind that gonna ask for a party card to FIRE them for doing a BAD JOB. im just gonna look at their voting record. the R or D or L or I makes no difference to me. they all stand for CRAP.


    Amen to that brother. The question people should be asking themselves is who/what do they believe in. Either you believe in this country and the constitution, and you vote that way. Or you blindly vote for a party, just because their apart of that party with no regard to their politics. The latter is what I believe most do. Personally I think their should be no parties only people forced to show their colors, instead of chest pounding "Im a dem, repub, here me roar"
     

    41mag

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    This just go's to show that we need to clean house totally in Washington DC. These people all need to go.
     

    level.eleven

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    This just go's to show that we need to clean house totally in Washington DC. These people all need to go.

    Wouldn't you also have to clean the houses of the entire RNC. It's staff, it's executives, and its donors. Then, when you are done with that you will need to take on K Street and clean it's house. Then, swing by the Federal Reserve and remove all the banksters. Then you have to tackle the bankster, CEO, lobbyist, lawyer shuffle. I guess what I am saying is, nothing will change if every single member of congress and the senate were replaced at the strike of midnight. The system is greater than any group of, or individual, man.
     

    dross

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    Every one of you republicrats that bad mouthed us for not voting for the lesser of two evils the last election, please stand up.

    Here I stand.

    I've never thought McCain was a friend of freedom. Obama, however, is dedicated to hunting freedom down and killing it.

    Unfortunately, we don't get the best imaginable choice, only the best available choice.

    Before I get called a sellout, or a coward or any of the other labels that have been thrown around here at your fellow libertarians, stop and think that I want the same thing most of you want. I'm talking tactics and strategy, and reality, not ideology. I prefer to talk ideology with the unbelievers, strategy with the believers.
     

    SavageEagle

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    Every one of you republicrats that bad mouthed us for not voting for the lesser of two evils the last election, please stand up.

    I'm right here. I never said that McCain would be the guy to bring back freedom and liberty to America, but he sure would have been better than this poser in the WH now. We wouldn't have obamatardcare, borders would be getting better attention, and the middle east would be a bigger focus than it is now. I wish I'd voted for Ron Paul.

    This will mark the first election I'm voting for "right" rather than "the lesser of two evils" If right doesn't exist I won't cast a vote in that race.

    Which is exactly what I'm doing this year. As long as it involves...


    ...^^This. So many people on this forum were saying the same things last year and even the beginning of this year. Now they're all, "Well, this guy ISN'T going to win, so I'll vote for this other guy that sounds good." :rolleyes:

    Who is the NON evil in Indiana?

    Behney for one. A lot of the guys and gals not getting any recognition anywhere that are first-timers that only want to return us to abiding by the Constitution and repealing the bad laws we have now.

    Wouldn't you also have to clean the houses of the entire RNC. It's staff, it's executives, and its donors. Then, when you are done with that you will need to take on K Street and clean it's house. Then, swing by the Federal Reserve and remove all the banksters. Then you have to tackle the bankster, CEO, lobbyist, lawyer shuffle. I guess what I am saying is, nothing will change if every single member of congress and the senate were replaced at the strike of midnight. The system is greater than any group of, or individual, man.

    And how would you go about firing CEO's, bankers, Lobbyists, and lawyers? When we get people in office, like Behney, that WON"T fall to their money and influence, then we get back to the government abiding by the Constitution.

    However, no one wants to even TRY this road as they would rather vote for whoever isn't as evil as the top evil guy.
     

    TopDog

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    Every one of you republicrats that bad mouthed us for not voting for the lesser of two evils the last election, please stand up.

    I am standing and I apologize :rolleyes:

    Do we need any further motivation to vote everyone out of the house? Clean sweep, send a message before its too late.
     
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