Those People are also the Voting Majority often enough...Yeah, but those people don't really count. The Constitution says all persons have the right to bear arms, not all persons have the privilege to bear arms as the government sees fit.
This is the problem with questions like this. Everyone wants to bring in the 2nd. Look people do you really think it is a good idea for medical personell to carry firearms. In the military the medic carry only a pistol. That is so that if they need to use one in a combat zone they can. Our primary responsibility is caring for people. Lets not bring in the 2nd on issues where it dosent apply. If you dont feel safe not carrying at a job, then dont get a job where you cant carry. Each person here is entitled to their opinion but lets not start in on each other.So because an EMT is not trained by the government, they should not have the the right to carry on duty? By that token, the government should have to train every person that wants a LTCH, every person that wants to talk, vote, write, etc. That goes against the Constitution, but maybe you don't believe that all man are created equal and that we have certain God given rights. Maybe we should change it up to government trained privileges.
Exactly! Someone who gets it. You can't require training for something that is not required by he job. LEOs train because they're required to carry a firearm. EMTs are trained in using medical equipment because they are required to. It is on a person to get training if they wish to do so, regardless of if they are EMT, Meijer cashier, Kroger manager, etc. [purple]Maybe it should be added to the LTCH requirements that all persons should take a mandatory class and then every 2-3 years take a refresher course on firearms.[/purple]
Your thoughts on Medics are quite antiquated...This is the problem with questions like this. Everyone wants to bring in the 2nd. Look people do you really think it is a good idea for medical personell to carry firearms. In the military the medic carry only a pistol. That is so that if they need to use one in a combat zone they can. Our primary responsibility is caring for people. Lets not bring in the 2nd on issues where it dosent apply. If you dont feel safe not carrying at a job, then dont get a job where you cant carry. Each person here is entitled to their opinion but lets not start in on each other.
Thanks for the correction, when I was in they only carried a pistol.Your thoughts on Medics are quite antiquated...
The US Army Medic carries both a Rifle and a Pistol. A US Army Medic is expected to fight along with the rest of his Team and Squad.
EMS, pizza delivery, plumber, preacher, baker, butcher, candlestick maker, etc.
I want all good people armed.
This is the problem with questions like this. Everyone wants to bring in the 2nd. Look people do you really think it is a good idea for medical personell to carry firearms. In the military the medic carry only a pistol. That is so that if they need to use one in a combat zone they can. Our primary responsibility is caring for people. Lets not bring in the 2nd on issues where it dosent apply. If you dont feel safe not carrying at a job, then dont get a job where you cant carry. Each person here is entitled to their opinion but lets not start in on each other.
Ok I'm done with you. Thank you for letting me express my opinion on your question and being critisized.
Take this into consideration.
Currently EMS isn't trained to carry like LEOs. People see life savers and easy victims. depending on if your calling for help or just a psychopath calling 911 for an easy target.
Scenario 1: Unarmed EMS:
You get a call to a unconscious female still breathing. You arrive on scene older male meets you at door takes you to female and tells you she tripped over a rug, cord, ect... While the EMTs take care of patient she wakes up confused about what happened and why EMS is there. Male is angry that shes alive pulls a knife attempts to stab female but stabs EMS first to get to the female. Now there is 2 dead or at least injured EMTs and the injured or now dead patient and a killer on the loose.
Scenario 2: EMS Allowed to carry with LTCH.
You get a call to a unconscious female still breathing. You arrive on scene older male meets you at door takes you to female and tells you she tripped over a rug, cord, ect... While the EMTs take care of patient she wakes up confused about what happened and why EMS is there. Male is angry that shes alive pulls a knife attempts to stab female manages to make contact with one EMT other EMT pulls gun shoots male until he is down handcuff him then get backup. EMT radios for PD and 3 ambulances (1 per patient). Treats partner and female until PD and ambulances arrive.
(under Indiana law attempted felony can be citizens arrest just because your an EMT that doesn't make you not a citizen.)
Hold on there. I agree with having the right to carry. That doesn't include carrying cuffs or making arrests. As a medic, my job is to take care of people. If I was armed on duty, I could still do that, but I'm not there to make arrests. To illustrate, let's take that scenario further:
Male attempts to stab female, but stops when he sees the wrong end of a .45 in his face, drops the knife and backs off. PD is called for backup, 20 min. away. Your patient is in extremis and needs immediate transport. If you've made an arrest, you have to keep your suspect in custody until LE arrives, but you can't exactly do that and transport your patient, and neither can your partner transport the patient with you staying behind to maintain custody. If you've made no arrest, you get a good description of him and if necessary, you let him go to do your job and your patient has a chance of living.
It comes down to the question of what you're there to do. If you want to make arrests, you can be a cop. There's a reason so few places have dual service with LE and EMS, though: what do you do as a responder if your patient admits to using drugs or to drinking underage or similar? As an EMT, you are bound by confidentiality not to reveal that information except to the physician and nurses taking care of that patient. As a LEO, you are expected to effect an arrest. To do so, however, compromises your objectivity and pretty well SCREWS you *and* your service for anyone to ever reveal anything like that again, which can result in very bad outcomes.
I had a coworker who was a part time deputy town marshal. He told me once that he had to differentiate in his mind what he was doing and when. This meant as well that if he learned something on the ambulance, he couldn't later use that information as a cop. (it could give him reason to check something out, but he couldn't, for example, use knowledge he came by as an EMT to swear out a warrant as a LEO.) Decide which job you want.
OTOH, if your sole goal is self-defense, handcuffs and arrests don't come into play.
Blessings,
Bill
And i totally agree the only reason the man would be cuffed would be for the safety of the patient and EMS crew. With the felony he cant sue you for holding him against his will. And for the EMT confidentiality thing according to the state of Nevada in Rogers v. State Doctor patient confidentiality doesn't extend to EMS. yes this in Indiana and that is Nevada but im sure some would say the same thing for Indiana if someone tried to sue an emt for telling the police.
Ah, but HIPAA applies to all of us.
Law Enforcement Purposes. Covered entities may disclose protected health information to law enforcement officials for law enforcement purposes under the following six circumstances, and subject to specified conditions: (1) as required by law (including court orders, court-ordered warrants, subpoenas) and administrative requests; (2) to identify or locate a suspect, fugitive, material witness, or missing person; (3) in response to a law enforcement official’s request for information about a victim or suspected victim of a crime; (4) to alert law enforcement of a person’s death, if the covered entity suspects that criminal activity caused the death; (5) when a covered entity believes that protected health information is evidence of a crime that occurred on its premises; and (6) by a covered health care provider in a medical emergency not occurring on its premises, when necessary to inform law enforcement about the commission and nature of a crime, the location of the crime or crime victims, and the perpetrator of the crime.
Ah, but HIPAA applies to all of us.