Deputy Handcuffs 8-Year Old And Watches Him Cry

[eatsnopaste]

I don't care what disorders he had. I am interested in whether the restraint was reasonably necessary. If so, I see no problem in the video. If not, then there's a problem.

I agree. My problem is the use of the shackles in such a way as to induce pain to attempt to change his behavior. Anyone who has been around a child with a psychological problem knows that this will not help the situation. We can argue whether ADHD or PTSD or any other disorder is real or not, a cop using cuffs to institute a shoulder lock is not correct.

 

[Mark 1911]

You don't handcuff an 8-year old, and especially not in the manner they did. I've rarely seen adults handcuffed in that way. That is inexcusable. Yes they can be brats, but if you have to resort to cuffs then something is lacking in the adults who are supposed to be in control. Sorry, but that deputy and the school officials are the ones who need some corrective action. If I was that boy's father, they would likely have have to handcuff me to keep me from inflicting some pain on that dumba$$ deputy.

 

[Birds Away]

Can you fix that first sentence? I don't know what it means. And I'd like to know what it means.

Ah, you must have gone to school well after me.

 

[churchmouse]

Ah, you must have gone to school well after me.

I had my little butt warmed a few times in grade school. Yes, I had it coming and yes, I learned from it.

I saw a few teachers get challenged in High School and the challengers all landed flat on their butt's for the effort.

Not a lot of ADHD acting out when I was in school. Not saying it was not an issue, just saying most knew better.

It was not a regular thing to drug the students.

 

[jamil]

Ah, you must have gone to school well after me.

I was in school in the 60s and 70s. It made sense after reading it not on my iPhone.

We're talking about elementary school here. Maybe it depends more on region and rural vs urban, but I think the rank and file elementary teachers just want to be teachers, and their ideologies just are what they are. Seems to me teaching is a bleeding heart kind of occupation anyway. Urban dwellers tend to be more liberal and socialist minded. It doesn't surprise me that most teachers seem to be that way ideologically. I don't think its that way as much because of agendas as demographics.

If anyone is plotting agendas, I'd blame the NEA, administrators, and school boards. They have do have political agendas and they're much more involved in setting school policies and curriculum development than the teachers.

 

[Birds Away]

I was in school in the 60s and 70s. It made sense after reading it not on my iPhone.

We're talking about elementary school here. Maybe it depends more on region and rural vs urban, but I think the rank and file elementary teachers just want to be teachers, and their ideologies just are what they are. Seems to me teaching is a bleeding heart kind of occupation anyway. Urban dwellers tend to be more liberal and socialist minded. It doesn't surprise me that most teachers seem to be that way ideologically. I don't think its that way as much because of agendas as demographics.

If anyone is plotting agendas, I'd blame the NEA, administrators, and school boards. They have do have political agendas and they're much more involved in setting school policies and curriculum development than the teachers.

I agree with you for the most part. I was just having a little fun with you.

 

[edporch]

Originally Posted by edporch Then if ADHD is so real, then WHY in in the early 1960's in the days of strict disipline and no drugged kids did we not have it then?
Kids learned and did their work.

We did have it back then. It just didn't have a name. I had it. I still have it. Treating these kids like gentle flowers doesn't help them. Behavior issues can be corrected by the typical kind of discipline that my parents dared to use back in the day. But the other issues, poor short-term memory, distractability, disorganization, etc., can't be punished away.

I've never had the hyperactivity component. For me it's mostly the inattentive part. Living with it is hard to describe. It's incredibly easy to be distracted. It's very difficult to block out distractions and focus on just one thing. If you want to experience how that feels, try this. Respond to this post comprehensively while having a dozen or so people talking to you at the same time, you may be able to block them out. Try not to. Pay attention to everything around you while trying to post.

But there are some advantages as well. ADD is really misnamed. It's not that I have a deficit of attention. I have an abundance of it. The problem is focus, not attention. Unless there is something very interesting, my attention is on everything and I can be distracted by anything. However, if I have no distractions other than the thing I want to focus on, I can really get into a hyper-focused zone where the object is the only thing. When I'm not in the zone, it's very difficult to think clearly. But when I'm in the zone I can think with clarity. It works out very well in my line of work. Hyper-focus has it's drawbacks too though: I don't tend to notice my surroundings and I have no sense of time while zoned out.

ADD is real. But most people who have it can learn to mitigate the problems. The severe cases are different though and those people probably need some help dealing with it.

So then accepting that what you say is true, it was actually dealt with better when I was a kid in the early 60's than now.
Because as I said, at least kids did their work and weren't doped up on drugs with people making excuses fot them not doing their work.

I remember teachers would even make a kid stay after school until they got their work done in those days.

Speaking of staying focused, I TOO had that problem in my early elementary years. (1st, 2nd grade)
But there were other kids in my class who were smart and I wanted to stay up with them.
(And yes, I got easily bored when the teacher kept going over the same thing over and over)

What I did was work on FORCING myself to pay attention, and it soon got better.
Plus I had parents who INSISTED I do my schoolwork and do it correctly.

Even to this day, if I take a class I sit towards the front and away from distractions, and WILL myself to pay attention.

 

[steveh_131]

Not a lot of ADHD acting out when I was in school. Not saying it was not an issue, just saying most knew better.

So either:

A) Harsher discipline prevented ADHD type behaviors, or
B) ADHD has increased in prevalence since you were in school (19th century? )

I think it's a combination of both. I think environmental factors have caused legitimate developmental delays and disorders in children, and at the same time, bad parents have latched onto this improperly as an excuse for their lack of effort in parenting.

That doesn't mean that we should lump every kid into the 'lack of discipline' category just because ADHD wasn't prevalent when you went to school. It exists, and paddlings aren't the cure.

 

[jamil]

Originally Posted by edporch Then if ADHD is so real, then WHY in in the early 1960's in the days of strict disipline and no drugged kids did we not have it then?
Kids learned and did their work.




So then accepting that what you say is true, it was actually dealt with better when I was a kid in the early 60's than now.
Because as I said, at least kids did their work and weren't doped up on drugs with people making excuses fot them not doing their work.

I remember teachers would even make a kid stay after school until they got their work done in those days.

Speaking of staying focused, I TOO had that problem in my early elementary years. (1st, 2nd grade)
But there were other kids in my class who were smart and I wanted to stay up with them.
(And yes, I got easily bored when the teacher kept going over the same thing over and over)

What I did was work on FORCING myself to pay attention, and it soon got better.
Plus I had parents who INSISTED I do my schoolwork and do it correctly.

Even to this day, if I take a class I sit towards the front and away from distractions, and WILL myself to pay attention.

Yes, I think it was dealt with better back then. If people treat kids like delicate flowers, they end up raising pansies. I do think that stevah has a point though. I think it is more prevalent now than back then. And I don't think there is a silver bullet answer for that.

Forcing myself to concentrate doesn't help. For me it seems the problem is in whatever part of the brain handles sensory input. It's like there's no filter that allows me to switch my focus. I can't willfully force distractions out of my head. I did learn to cope with it in school, and I probably would not have learn to work with it if I had parents and teachers that did not demand proper behavior and completion of tasks.

 

[edporch]

Yes, I think it was dealt with better back then. If people treat kids like delicate flowers, they end up raising pansies. I do think that stevah has a point though. I think it is more prevalent now than back then. And I don't think there is a silver bullet answer for that.

Forcing myself to concentrate doesn't help. For me it seems the problem is in whatever part of the brain handles sensory input. It's like there's no filter that allows me to switch my focus. I can't willfully force distractions out of my head. I did learn to cope with it in school, and I probably would not have learn to work with it if I had parents and teachers that did not demand proper behavior and completion of tasks.

I hear you about distractions.
That's why I always sit in the class in a place with the least distractions.

For example, when I as at IU years ago, I would sit off to the side on the front row of large lecture halls so the only thing I could see was the prof.
It helped greatly.

 

[olhorseman]

So either:

A) Harsher discipline prevented ADHD type behaviors, or
B) ADHD has increased in prevalence since you were in school (19th century? )

I think it's a combination of both. I think environmental factors have caused legitimate developmental delays and disorders in children, and at the same time, bad parents have latched onto this improperly as an excuse for their lack of effort in parenting.

That doesn't mean that we should lump every kid into the 'lack of discipline' category just because ADHD wasn't prevalent when you went to school. It exists, and paddlings aren't the cure.

Just curious, but could you narrow down environmental factors a bit more? Are you referring to toxins in the evironment or over-stimulation by one's surroundings, or both?

 

[steveh_131]

Just curious, but could you narrow down environmental factors a bit more? Are you referring to toxins in the evironment or over-stimulation by one's surroundings, or both?

I am really not certain. I've seen evidence that environmental toxins such as pesticides play a role. Nutrition during brain development may also play a role, and those two are certainly closely linked. Over-stimulation may play a role as well. I don't think genetics are the sole factor, but may also play a role. I wish I knew.

ETA: We've learned in more recent years that fat plays an important role in brain development, and the low-fat/high-carb crazes of the 80's and 90's may have something to do with it. Dr. Seneff wrote an interesting article about that: http://people.csail.mit.edu/seneff/adhd_low_fat_diet.html

She also found a very interesting correlation between agricultural use of Roundup and a variety of developmental delays.

 

[1775usmarine]

ADHD a disability? Man that must mean in the civilian world my torn meniscus which pegs me 10% on the VA scale would be equivalent to at least 95% according to the ACLU. Geez everything is a disability these days in order to control the people.

 

[Peter Potamus]

 

[rambone]

If you don't stop ramming your head against that wall I'm going to have to call the school resource officer.

 

[Peter Potamus]

If you don't stop ramming your head against that wall I'm going to have to call the school resource officer.

Please call the school nurse instead. I need to be medicated.......

 

[actaeon277]

Please call the school nurse instead. I need to be medicated.......

 

[jamil]

I think we'd be having an entirely different conversation if THIS is what the kid got instead of the jackboot. I'm pretty sure no one would have said a thing about ADD, except maybe "can I have ADD too? Please? I'll be good next time. I double promise."

 

[jamil]

Really I didn't have anything else to say. I just wanted to post another copy of this again. Can't have too many on a page.

 

[actaeon277]

Really I didn't have anything else to say. I just wanted to post another copy of this again. Can't have too many on a page.

by the way, that's my sister. You owe me an apology.