Daylight Saving Time

[IndyDave1776]

So, you're saying that twice a year IT would have to actually be useful?

What does the all-hair dude from the Addams Familt have to do with this?

 

[KLB]

OK no cheese burgers for you.

 

[Cameramonkey]

So, you're saying that twice a year IT would have to actually be useful?

No, we just want to set and forget. As long as our legislators dont break things, our gear will spring forward and fall back on their own.

 

[actaeon277]

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[DoggyDaddy]

I love Lewis Black...

 

[AtTheMurph]

I am so glad that it isn't dark at 5pm anymore.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I wish it were light at 5 a.m..

 

[AtTheMurph]

I wish it were light at 5 a.m..

You are the only one.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

You are the only one.

Nah... Not the only one. What can I say? I'm a morning person. I mean, it's 10:40 a.m., I've got a good part of my yardwork done, and I'm contemplating lunch already. But that's happens when you get up at 4 a.m. and eat breakfast at 6 a.m.. I won't get to sleep in like that tomorrow though. Back to work.

 

[chipbennett]

I am so glad that it isn't dark at 5pm anymore.

There are no dates for which Indiana (Indianapolis) is dark at 5PM. The earliest sunset time is 5:20PM. From the end of January (1/28/21) through mid-October (10/18/21), sunset is 6PM (standard time) or later.

Remind me again how shifting the clocks during the summer has any impact on 5PM sunlight availability? If 5PM sunlight were the concern, wouldn't it make more sense to leave the clocks alone during the summer, and shift them during the winter?

 

[Ingomike]

Sunset at almost 8 pm tonight! Getting a lot done today, exercise in and still have a lot of daylight left. Campfire food and fire in the fire pit. Mmmm

Great day and my sleep pattern is already adjusted...

 

[Hawkeye]

You are the only one.

No. No he isn't.

 

[foszoe]

There are no dates for which Indiana (Indianapolis) is dark at 5PM. The earliest sunset time is 5:20PM. From the end of January (1/28/21) through mid-October (10/18/21), sunset is 6PM (standard time) or later.

Remind me again how shifting the clocks during the summer has any impact on 5PM sunlight availability? If 5PM sunlight were the concern, wouldn't it make more sense to leave the clocks alone during the summer, and shift them during the winter?

Yeah but just like New York City isn't New York.....

 

[jamil]

Sunset at almost 8 pm tonight! Getting a lot done today, exercise in and still have a lot of daylight left. Campfire food and fire in the fire pit. Mmmm

Great day and my sleep pattern is already adjusted...

I have to admit, it’s nice to be able to get in a long bike ride after work now. And since the weather is getting better too, it’s also nice to have a an hour of daylight shifted to after work so that I can start working on some outdoor projects. If the sun were still setting around 6:30, I wouldn’t bother.

It might make for a more honest conversation if people could admit that it is convenient for moat people to have more daylight available after work.

 

[jamil]

There are no dates for which Indiana (Indianapolis) is dark at 5PM. The earliest sunset time is 5:20PM. From the end of January (1/28/21) through mid-October (10/18/21), sunset is 6PM (standard time) or later.

Remind me again how shifting the clocks during the summer has any impact on 5PM sunlight availability? If 5PM sunlight were the concern, wouldn't it make more sense to leave the clocks alone during the summer, and shift them during the winter?

20 minutes. You’re quibbling over 20 ****ing minutes? Why not just admit that it’s convenient given most people’s schedules to have the sun set an hour later so they can have the daylight shifted after work? Admitting that one point doesn’t cost you your preference. It doesn’t cost me mine.

And you know the reason why people don’t care so much that it gets dark so early in the winter. There aren’t many outdoor activities they can do after work in the cold. Though I’m sure that’s not as true for people in warmer climates. They’d probably rather have more hours after work year round.

 

[chipbennett]

20 minutes. You’re quibbling over 20 ****ing minutes? Why not just admit that it’s convenient given most people’s schedules to have the sun set an hour later so they can have the daylight shifted after work? Admitting that one point doesn’t cost you your preference. It doesn’t cost me mine.

And you know the reason why people don’t care so much that it gets dark so early in the winter. There aren’t many outdoor activities they can do after work in the cold. Though I’m sure that’s not as true for people in warmer climates. They’d probably rather have more hours after work year round.

My point is that the "dark at 5pm" a) doesn't actually happen, technically speaking, b) even as a general time range, is an issue for, at most, 2 1/2 months out of the year, and c) most importantly, is not mitigated by shifting clocks during the summer.

 

[chipbennett]

Yeah but just like New York City isn't New York.....

Yeah, that's why I specified about sunrise/sunset times. If the argument applies better or worse to other parts of Indiana, feel free to make/refute it for those locations.

 

[jamil]

My point is that the "dark at 5pm" a) doesn't actually happen, technically speaking, b) even as a general time range, is an issue for, at most, 2 1/2 months out of the year, and c) most importantly, is not mitigated by shifting clocks during the summer.

Okay, that's a better argument. But the point you objected to wasn't the specific time. The "5PM" was a soundbite to make the broader point about an early sunset during winter. Technical speak doesn't invalidate that point. I think the better argument to rebut that would be that it would be that if one doesn't like the early sunset in winter, advocating for shifting the time year round with no time changes would better solve that than enduring it for a few months, and then changing clocks to get your evening's back in early spring.

But I still think that UTC would eventually be more convenient for everyone, but getting to that point would be as hard as converting the US to the metric system. It's just not gonna happen. Once you have a complicated system to deal with a complicated problem, it's complicated to change it, even if that means simplifying it. Y2K employed a **** ton of people and that was only to remove 2-character dates from various systems. Decoupling time zones from time tracking systems would be monumental.

 

[chipbennett]

Okay, that's a better argument. But the point you objected to wasn't the specific time. The "5PM" was a soundbite to make the broader point about an early sunset during winter. Technical speak doesn't invalidate that point. I think the better argument to rebut that would be that it would be that if one doesn't like the early sunset in winter, advocating for shifting the time year round with no time changes would better solve that than enduring it for a few months, and then changing clocks to get your evening's back in early spring.

But I still think that UTC would eventually be more convenient for everyone, but getting to that point would be as hard as converting the US to the metric system. It's just not gonna happen. Once you have a complicated system to deal with a complicated problem, it's complicated to change it, even if that means simplifying it. Y2K employed a **** ton of people and that was only to remove 2-character dates from various systems. Decoupling time zones from time tracking systems would be monumental.

How is it a better argument? It's the same argument I made - perhaps just more clearly articulated?

As someone who has lived somewhere (St. Louis) where winter sunset was as early as about 4:30PM, to me, 5PM was not a mere "soundbite". Our earliest sunsets in Indianapolis are around an hour later than our earliest sunsets in St. Louis.

But the point of my argument was the end: changing the clocks during the summer does not, in any way, cause sunset to take place later in the day during winter. Thus, even a 5PM winter sunset is not a valid argument for summertime DST.

 

[IndyDave1776]

How is it a better argument? It's the same argument I made - perhaps just more clearly articulated?

As someone who has lived somewhere (St. Louis) where winter sunset was as early as about 4:30PM, to me, 5PM was not a mere "soundbite". Our earliest sunsets in Indianapolis are around an hour later than our earliest sunsets in St. Louis.

But the point of my argument was the end: changing the clocks during the summer does not, in any way, cause sunset to take place later in the day during winter. Thus, even a 5PM winter sunset is not a valid argument for summertime DST.

We could just go back to year-round CENTRAL DST like we used to.

. Y2K employed a **** ton of people and that was only to remove 2-character dates from various systems. Decoupling time zones from time tracking systems would be monumental.

Nothing exceptional. I have seen two characters on a date lots of times!