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    Why Visa Predicts Your Divorce - ABC News

    "... Visa Predicts Your Divorce Predicting Behavior Based on Shopping Habits Helps Credit Card Companies Manage Risk

    NICHOLAS CIARELLI, The Daily Beast

    April 8, 2010

    If you ever doubted the power of the credit card companies, consider this: Visa, the world's largest credit card network, can predict how likely you are to get a divorce. There's no consumer-protection legislation for that.

    Why would Visa care that your marriage is on the rocks? Yale Law School Professor Ian Ayres, who included the Visa example in his book Super Crunchers, says "credit card companies don't really care about divorce in and of itself—they care whether you're going to pay your card off." And because people who are going through a divorce are more likely to miss payments, your domestic troubles are of great interest to a company that thrives on risk management. Exactly how the credit industry does it—through sophisticated data-mining techniques—is a closely guarded secret. (Visa did not return requests for comment.)

    The mobile social network Loopt or its competitors could conceivably predict with 90 percent accuracy where an individual will be tomorrow.

    Predicting people's behavior is becoming big business—and increasingly feasible in an era defined by accessible information. Data crunching by Canadian Tire, for instance, recently enabled the retailer's credit card business to create psychological profiles of its cardholders that were built upon alarmingly precise correlations. Their findings: Cardholders who purchased carbon-monoxide detectors, premium birdseed, and felt pads for the bottoms of their chair legs rarely missed a payment. On the other hand, those who bought cheap motor oil and visited a Montreal pool bar called "Sharx" were a higher risk. "If you show us what you buy, we can tell you who you are, maybe even better than you know yourself," a former Canadian Tire exec said.

    Click here to read the entire story at The Daily Beast."




    Yes, they will tell who you are, and what you buy, and if it looks suspicious enough, they'll also report you to G.M.

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    Because of my health, I'm not sure what I'm doing tomorrow so I think they would have a hard time predicting my habits. We don't eat out on a regular basis, I don't make scheduled purchases, I don't have a particular hobby that would show a pattern.

    For some people, sure. They are regular as clockwork in what/when they buy.
     
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    Kroger, credit card companies, basically anyone collecting data for marketing purposes. It seems to work to given how bizarre is some of the push marketing I get exposure to.
    LOL I wasn't making fun of you. :)

    I don't sign up for the store cards as I prefer not to have my purchases analyzed. The closest my family comes to me being watched is my debit card. I do prefer cash but sometimes I have to use the card. We don't have credit cards so there is no overspending.
     

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    What does it mean if someone buys a shotgun, a hacksaw, a box of shells, a balaclava, some gloves, and a gym bag?

    You have a date with my sister! Tell her 6birds says "Hey!":rockwoot:
    Are you taking her to the dump to shoot rats? She loves that!
     

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    So, they'll know if I buy some tinfoil to make a hat to ward off their attempts to get inside my head and they'll know that I'm the kind of guy who is on to them, but my tinfoil hat will keep them from knowing that but the fact that I bought the tinfoil will tell them that, but the hat will keep them from.....Wait...I've got it! I'll buy the tinfoil and make a hat and then I'll go buy tinfoil and they won't know....No, that won't work...I'll have to get back to you on this one.
     

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    LOL I wasn't making fun of you. :)

    I don't sign up for the store cards as I prefer not to have my purchases analyzed. The closest my family comes to me being watched is my debit card. I do prefer cash but sometimes I have to use the card. We don't have credit cards so there is no overspending.

    I didn't think you were making fun. I pick up the store loyalty cards when I find them in the parking lot. I have 3 for Kroger. One only buys catfood and fresh produce. One only buys cleaning products, and one is the one I use when I am doing stock shopping.

    I paid off credit debt several years ago and didn't have any credit cards, but decided to get one when I couldn't get a car loan last year because my credit score was bad since I didn't have any debt! Since I can pay it from my checking account, once a week I get online and shoot money over to zero out the CC so I get their "rewards".

    Some things like ammo only ever get paid cash.
     
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    Or you can make seemingly random purchases with CC that is deliberately designed to skew their data...:whistle:

    Another reason to have several store loyalty cards under several different names...

    I'm not so much worried about the small stores - or hell, even the big ones like Wal-Mart - I know they have too much to do to worry about giving out customer information. Government, on the other hand, is staffed with low-paid, largely over-/under-worked (depends on what department/bureau they work for) lackies who, generally, have a desire to learn every single thing about you possible, often in violation of the Privacy Act of 1974 and the Constitution and relevant caselaw and State statute.

    And then there are the corporations who spring up - or who volunteer eagerly - merely to serve a need of government which was formerly unmet... e.g.: IBM taking over the food stamp/EBT fiasco; VISA helping to manage unemployment insurance benefits; General Electric creating electronic medical records...

    These acts are not to serve us - they are to control and monitor us, to keep us in line and doing what our masters wish us to do to maintain the lifestyles to which they have grown accustomed.

    You want to see some seriously upset G.M. officials?

    Stop subsidizing corn and soybeans. That's all it would take.

    We're being tracked and monitored all the time.

    Today I had to input my index finger into a scanner in order to do my new job else be fired. The economy sucks and it's decently paying, but I asked if there was another way to go about things, and sure enough, a password is an option - they weren't going to tell me that fact, though. I had to ask to be presented with that option. The system is now opt-out in the private sector, and opting out of the governmental system is not an option at all. If you DO renounce your Social Security number in an attempt, a plea, for less intrusion into your life - counter-productively - you will be scrutinized even further.

    To have a LTCH, fingerprints must be on file with the State - this shows how much the government trusts us as citizenry. Not even having committed a crime, pre-emptively the State requires registration, so that in the unlikely - and, to them, disastrous - event that you step out of line, they can figure out who's causing the trouble (in this hypothetical, you) and SLAP you back into place with either fines so heavy that you're nearly bankrupted ($100k+ for violations of GCA/FOPA/NFA) or put into prison for ~10 years (for the same potential offenses), a substantial chunk of your life, after which, some of your most fundamental rights are never restored... for no greater reason than disagreeing with, and disobeying, the State. This system isn't about fairness, it isn't about equality, it isn't about justice, it isn't even about equity. It's about control, gentlemen, and to control you must first know everything there is to know about everyone, so that through the combined effective techniques of assured State retribution and extortion of both time and money, they control and OWN you, and don't for one god****ed second try to declare that you are your own person, a free Citizen, even with the great equalizer of personal armament.

    I do not advocate violence: I advocate freedom insofar that individual freedom and a functioning society aren't incompatible... But that is far too reasonable and too unrestrained a notion for both government and most of our countrymen. Tell someone that there's no longer a requirement for property taxes or car insurance or license plates or Social Security or income taxes, and most will give a frightened, fearful, confused stare - 'But who will run my life for me and do the difficult task of living for me, and who will spend the money that I have exerted myself and sweated to earn?' Who will provide for my family now?'

    So, the problem lies, sadly, just with us and our countrymen, who are willing to abide this modern-day slavery to a system in which true independence is shunned and true freedom is denied... and most of our countrymen are more than willing to help one another stay enslaved by working for companies which assist the government in its monumental task: to know all, to do all, to control all.

    "My name is Adam, and I am here to ask you one question: is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?"

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    Or you can make seemingly random purchases with CC that is deliberately designed to skew their data...:whistle:

    An individual can't really impact their analysis, because they are basing it on huge datasets. And for the big players, it makes sense to commit most transactions to video that can be matched to a given bill of sale, at a given time, at a given register. I've not kept up with that state of the art for face recognition technology, but when it reaches the point of high reliability it can be employed both in real time and and in review of video archives. Cash won't help much at that point and it will be very hard to hide.

    You can all blame me to some extent. Back in the dot com days I started 2 companies that did analytics of this sort, with large disparate datasets. Sold them. I know most of the technology ended up in the hands of a large shipping company and the casinos (you'd be amazed at the computing horsepower they throw at behavioral analysis), but I imagine they've sold a lot of it the big box retail people.
     

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    An individual can't really impact their analysis, because they are basing it on huge datasets.

    I've done statistical analysis, I understand that. I just like adding some noise to the system, and as a student of chaos theory, I like the possibility of creating areas of instability in the data set. It amuses me and takes nothing of consequence from my life so I gain from it. And when I post like this I put the ideas into other people's heads and possibly am creating a social meme that can cause a butterfly effect.

    Of course, my personal philosophy for how I interact with the rest of the world is (seriously) "If I can't make someones day a little better, I CAN make it more surreal."
     

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    I'm not so much worried about the small stores - or hell, even the big ones like Wal-Mart - I know they have too much to do to worry about giving out customer information. Government, on the other hand, is staffed with low-paid, largely over-/under-worked


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    This almost got a rep sir as I feel you are for the most part correct. The reason I did not is the following, but that is just a pet peeve of mine as I see no reason for it, especially on a family board. Frustration is one thing but other colorful language could have been used.:twocents:



    and don't for one god****ed second try
     
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    This almost got a rep sir as I feel you are for the most part correct. The reason I did not is the following, but that is just a pet peeve of mine as I see no reason for it, especially on a family board. Frustration is one thing but other colorful language could have been used.:twocents:

    That's fine, but it's not in violation of board rules - at least, to this date, no one has corrected me and I don't believe that it is, and until I am told that it is, I will not self-censor - to please you or anyone on here, or to refine a sentiment which I feel truly warrants its usage.

    Do what you feel you must, though. I certainly wouldn't try to stop you or anything like that. I understand that some have different pet peeves. Great part of this country is that we can agree to disagree, almost always agreeably.
     
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