Commandant of the Marine Corps says no to Gays

[dross]

Agreed. If its a violation, then yes it should be prosecuted. Just as if I am speeding on post, i deserve to pay the consequences of my actions

And if you engage in a little oral pleasure with your spouse, girlfriend, or local barfly, you should also serve your five years in Leavenworth and be dishonorably discharged.

 

[IndyMonkey]

And if you engage in a little oral pleasure with your spouse, girlfriend, or local barfly, you should also serve your five years in Leavenworth and be dishonorably discharged.

Thats how breaking the laws work.....why is that hard for you to understand?

 

[CaptainMorgan92]

Are you gay or do you just think they should be able to join? Since the US military stated for about 230 years that being gay disqualifies someone from joining, I'd say yes, that should stop them. It's no different than the illegals in this country, just because they are here doesn't automatically make them Americans and it certainly doesn't qualify them to become Americans. Why should the military have to accommodate a sexual preference, a perverted, counter-nature one at that? There are no flamboyant gays in the military... because open gays cannot serve in the military. Change the law and watch that change quickly. This isn't simply a matter of 'oh just let them have their way'!! Damn... some are so willing to play with the lives of our soldiers under the guise of freedom. It's pitiful and shameless.

No I am not gay... but I don't think that being gay should make someone ineligible to put their life on the line for YOUR, along with everyone Americans, freedom.

 

[IndyMonkey]

Yes. And all the heterosexuals who engage in sodomy as defined by MILITARY LAW, should also be discharged after they've served their debt to society in prison as MILITARY LAW requires.

Yes, you are correct again. It is against the laws of the Military.

 

[dross]

Thats how breaking the laws work.....why is that hard for you to understand?

Do you really think there's something about this I don't understand or were you employing a rhetorical device?

I understand perfectly. It's the folks who think they're superior soldiers even though they violate the UCMJ's sodomy laws who don't understand.

 

[dukeboy_318]

And if you engage in a little oral pleasure with your spouse, girlfriend, or local barfly, you should also serve your five years in Leavenworth and be dishonorably discharged.

And that's not being debated. No one that I have read has argued that any violators of the ucmj shouldn't be punished. I bet you that people have gotten in trouble for it. Wasn't there an air force female pilot who posed in a magazine and was dishonorably discharged for conduct unbecoming an officer? I remember hearing about it on the news a few yrs ago, don't remember the details.

 

[CorvetteTom]

This debate isn't necessarily about being gay in the military... it's about being openly gay in the military. As much as I dislike DADT, it was the common ground that has served pretty well so far. I believe the other code was written to potentially strengthen cases against other offenses.

 

[IndyMonkey]

It's the folks who think they're superior soldiers even though they violate the UCMJ's sodomy laws who don't understand.

Do you live such a disaster of a life, around people that are less than honorable to think that there are not some people that live honorable and follow the laws that govern them?

 

[dross]

And that's not being debated. No one that I have read has argued that any violators of the ucmj shouldn't be punished. I bet you that people have gotten in trouble for it. Wasn't there an air force female pilot who posed in a magazine and was dishonorably discharged for conduct unbecoming an officer? I remember hearing about it on the news a few yrs ago, don't remember the details.

Fair enough. If all the people who have pointed out to me that being gay violates military tradition, and that the Commandant condemns it and that is enough, that it's against the rules, that military people have a different standard, etc... - if they'll all admit that they are also sodomites who should have served jail time and been dishonorably discharged, I'll back off.

Or, they can declare that they never engaged in sodomy as defined inthe UCMJ while they served in the military, and I'll respect their consistency and the lack of blatant hypocrisy in their position.

 

[dross]

Do you live such a disaster of a life, around people that are less than honorable to think that there are not some people that live honorable and follow the laws that govern them?

I don't think my life is a disaster, though I haven't always lived up to my expectations. I'm not sure you were asking me a question so much as trying to insult me, though. Perhaps I'm paranoid tonight.

I don't think most people are less than honorable. I assume everyone I meet is honorable, though I don't trust people too far until they've earned it.

I exempt everyone who condemns sodomy as defined by the UCMJ and didn't engage in it themselves.

Perhaps my assumptions are unfair, I do assume that most married couples have explored into areas that the UCMJ defines as sodomy. I sincerely apologize to anyone who has refrained from that behavior while serving because the UCMJ prohibits it. I do think, however, that I made it clear that I wasn't calling those folks hypocrites, only the ones who have one standard for themself and another for others.

 

[dukeboy_318]

Fair enough. If all the people who have pointed out to me that being gay violates military tradition, and that the Commandant condemns it and that is enough, that it's against the rules, that military people have a different standard, etc... - if they'll all admit that they are also sodomites who should have served jail time and been dishonorably discharged, I'll back off.

Or, they can declare that they never engaged in sodomy as defined inthe UCMJ while they served in the military, and I'll respect their consistency and the lack of blatant hypocrisy in their position.

What makes you assume that all soldiers engage in sodomy?? I have seen no study or documented facts to show that. I personally did not by any definition. Not everyone is into that type of sexual intercourse. You making the assumption that all soldiers engage in sodomy is no different than the antimilitary, ant-war people who claim all soldiers are baby killers and rapists.

 

[CorvetteTom]

Then I deserve your respect. Married with 1 child while serving and the second child came a few months after my tour of duty ended. All while never engaging in sodomy.

Some of us are just ordinary average people. Perversions aren't a supreme desire to everyone no matter how much you may want to believe that.

 

[Blue Tile Spook]

DADT was a sore issue at my first command about the time I arrived there. The boat was fresh off of a WESTPAC tour, one of the last stops being the Philippines. It was my understanding that a good time was had by all in my Division while visiting there. DADT classes were included in my orientation checklist when checking aboard. I vividly remember my Chief dressing down some of the guys in my Division when they were telling their "sea stories" because of some of the specific sexual details of the stories being told as we worked together. I couldn't understand at the time what the big deal was. Chief Bascom explained that no sexual details were to be shared unless it was a private conversation. That didn't mean that it didn't happen - it was just in violation of official command policy.

As communicators, we had security clearances, and those clearances could be revoked for showing "sexual deviancy" or "hyper sexuality" at the discretion of the Intelligence Officer onboard or my Division Lt. Both of those issues were considered security risks and subject to review at any time. Nearly ANYTHING, if pushed, could get a clearance revoked. We had one kid that was an INTEL specialist that shaved his cranium and got a tattoo of a bullet going in one side of his head and another tattoo of the bullet coming out the other side. He nearly lost his security clearance over it. He and the Navy/FBI compromised - He had to let his hair grow out to cover the tattoo and keep it that way for the remainder of his enlistment.

 

[abnk]

Perhaps the military does not want to deal with homosexual behavior because it is a mental disorder, but won't come and say it lest they suffer the wrath of the APA and politicians?

Either way, the military gives homosexual members preferential treatment as members with other mental disorders are not given the chance to stay in if they keep it quiet.

 

[dross]

What makes you assume that all soldiers engage in sodomy?? I have seen no study or documented facts to show that. I personally did not by any definition. Not everyone is into that type of sexual intercourse. You making the assumption that all soldiers engage in sodomy is no different than the antimilitary, ant-war people who claim all soldiers are baby killers and rapists.

Then I deserve your respect. Married with 1 child while serving and the second child came a few months after my tour of duty ended. All while never engaging in sodomy.

Some of us are just ordinary average people. Perversions aren't a supreme desire to everyone no matter how much you may want to believe that.

Please forgive my assumptions. I mistakenly assumed that most married couples have engaged in oral sex. My apologies. I tip my hat to your consistent viewpoint, and to living your lives according to your beliefs.

Allow me to say, however, that I don't consider oral sex to be a perversion.

 

[IndyMonkey]

Allow me to say, however, that I don't consider oral sex to be a perversion.

Do you kiss you mom with that mouth?

 

[dukeboy_318]

Please forgive my assumptions. I mistakenly assumed that most married couples have engaged in oral sex. My apologies. I tip my hat to your consistent viewpoint, and to living your lives according to your beliefs.

Allow me to say, however, that I don't consider oral sex to be a perversion.

Forgiven; even though im sure a majority of society would agree(as do I) that oral sex isn't a perversion or sodimy, the fact of the matter is that the UCMJ does declare it as such. And im no expert on homosexuality but im going to make the assumption that there is no way for gays to have sex that isn't against the ucmj therfore while it doesn't spell it out, engaging in homosexuality is a violation of the ucmj which therefore means homosexuality is against the ucmj.

Hopefully that makes sense, kind of wordy but the point is there

 

[CorvetteTom]

Not a problem. In today's liberal society, it's easy to have an opinion that parallels your view of the world.

Allow me to say, however, that I don't consider oral sex to be a perversion.

Clinton would tend to agree with you... Bill anyway. LOL

Do you kiss you mom with that mouth?

LMAO

 

[CorvetteTom]

No I am not gay... but I don't think that being gay should make someone ineligible to put their life on the line for YOUR, along with everyone Americans, freedom.

Well, I am glad that you are not in charge because OUR military leaders for over 200 years thought it made them ineligible.

Funny... I put MY life on the line for their freedom of sexual choice.

 

[PatriotPride]

The commandant is spot on with his assessment. This subject really makes me sick. The liberal left wingers always attempting to water down true American values and common sense. This is a christian nation. Homosexuality is wrong on all counts. People attempting to sugar coat the subject are not our friends. Gays have no business in our armed services. Openly gay people certainly have no place in our services. The powers to be need to listen to the ones that really know. Sickening IMO.

I'd rep you but I have to spread the wealth. You said it better than I ever could.